Tim Miller

You're sounding like Olivia here right now talking about him.

I'm telling you, it was painful.

You're getting starry-eyed.

And I spent real time around him in that period.

And I just find this character to be unrecognizable.

And I know some members of his family well, some of his siblings, who also are incredibly pained and who have publicly said that their brother

that they love dearly and who they grew up with is not the same figure who they see occupying this space.

I'm really sorry to have gone off there, but it's near and dear and puzzling.

That's interesting.

Helps you process what people see in him, you know, because I never liked him, right?

So it's harder for me, I think.

I appreciate that.

But there was a special gift there and somebody who led with values through a lot of personal pain and struggle.

And I appreciated the vulnerability that he had when he talked about addiction, when he talked about the family traumas and what it took to help him get to the other side of that.

There was a real power in that.

And it's a shame to see this.

The thing that sucks about this for me with him is he would have freedom to do all that stuff.

He would still do his crazy vaccine conspiracy stuff, but Trump didn't care about any of that.

If he was in there, they could have programs that were going after polluters, at least the ones who aren't donors to Trump.

There'd be some limits.