Tim Ross

But then, as Janet said to you, I actually wrote this quote down from the interview.

Tim, you're right on so many counts.

Of course you are.

You're a genius.

Those were her very words.

I wrote that down as well.

And was that Brian McKay, the artist?

Yes.

You asked Janet that, what does art mean to you or something, and she quoted him.

That's the lovely thing about Janet is both her curiosity but also her ability to – and this is what makes her such a good interviewee –

is that she can take a little argument, she can take a narrative, and then she'll give you a punchline.

And she'll say that is what it is.

She said, when she talks about the Kimberley Wilderness, she said very simply, it is pristine and it should not be fragged.

And I thought, oh, yeah, right.

You put your cards down there.

You've told us all what you believe and stand for.

And that is always compelling.

She is hugely political, very passionate about her causes and her beliefs, and yet at the same time hugely engaging.

It's the kind of person you want to spend the day with or the month with.

We spent a wonderful morning.