Tom Verrilli

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Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth · This CPO regrets that product management exists | Tom Verrilli (CPO of Whatnot) · 2 Aug 2026 podcast

Okay, do you know the SOP or how they label that?

No.

Okay, so you don't know it's fraud.

And if you push a really experienced product director like that, they're going to go, good point.

I don't.

I'm going to go find out.

And then you invariably end up strengthening the system that agents are using to kind of data label because suddenly there's a very smart person who's very invested in like

understanding how we do that and helping guide it and so just that attitude that says like we're going to do fewer things we're going to make sure we execute the hell out of them and we're going to kind of push our best people to be in the weeds everywhere means that you fix lots of things as you go when you don't end up kind of just making loads of trade-offs and i think there's a general belief that like

It's too easy otherwise for growth to hide all sins.

Like you get bigger and you just end up scaling and everybody's kind of like working off of averages.

So culturally, I think you've got to be really committed to like, let's, you know, whole ass few things, as I tend to say sometimes.

Shout out Ron Swanson.

uh and then push your best people to be really in the weeds of stuff and actually what you find over time is you end up being more efficient by doing that because you actually understand how things work the first time and you make the best decisions and then listen ai huge leverage for all of this

I can't think of how much time I spent as a junior PM asking my engineers how hard something would be and distracting actual velocity in order to help scope future stuff.

And now I can sit and talk to Claude and understand roughly LOEs.

I can sit there and go through and be like, it feels like there's some car crash of modals that must be hitting new users as they open up the app.

And you can literally just go through and be like, let's load up the feed and talk to me about the logic of who sees what in what order and when does this thing fire?

And you can get answers really quickly.

And having, as I said before, folks with enough tenure and enough reps that they can see that and say, you know what, that's bad.

Let's just make a good decision and change the ordering of those.

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