Tristan Harris
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first heard Jul 2026
last heard 17 Sep
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But in the future, they can have an AI agent search for a blue pickup truck belonging to someone who voted a particular way, whose dog has a microchip registered at this address, whose phone was at this intersection last Thursday.
So this isn't just a story of more surveillance, it's it's a story of a different kind of surveillance entirely.
Because for most of human history, the constraint on surveillance wasn't law, it's been the expense and time required to do it.
And once that constraint is removed with AI.
It's gonna create an entirely different paradigm shift.
So just want you to hold that in your head as we proceed with the episode.
So far we've been talking a lot about the United States and how technology's been applied here.
Um, but uh Garance, I know in your reporting, you've written a lot about how uh American companies have actually been building out a surveillance apparatus for the rest of the world.
Ironically, we talk about China being this dystopian thing and we'll never build that here, but the US may be helping to build that surveillance state in a way.
Which gets back to the power of these tools, uh divorced from their context.
Normally it's laws and norms, uh, and transparency that protect us from those tools being misapplied in context and to create worlds that we wouldn't want to have.
And it gets back to the question, Andrew, of what are therefore the protections, norms or transparency measures that we need in order to, you know, deal with the the range of threats that we've talked about so far.
Grants, uh I'm sure you speak to a lot of legal experts and advocates in in your work.
Uh what would you add?
What we what have you been hearing from them about what we need as well?
Well, and there may be a a response by listeners of like, Yeah, well I you know, I have a fitness band and it tracks all these things for me, but you know, that fitness band's business model is not to sell that data to
other surveillance companies.
It's interesting how this actually interlinks with other new AI risks, which is that the assumption that the data that is tracked about me is safe is suddenly completely in question because you have AI systems like Mythos that can hack into literally the classified systems of the United States government and have been demonstrated as such.
But you you don't even have
Right.
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