Tristan Harris

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Your Undivided Attention · Flock is Just the Beginning: Inside the Era of AI-Powered Policing · 10 Sep 2026 podcast

What what are some of the tools that citizens should know about today to protect themselves?

So I'm thinking of things like D Flock, which I believe is a map of where Flock is um deployed so that there's actually at least some transparency because most people just don't even know that there are flock cameras in their town.

What are some other tools that people should be aware of to protect themselves and fight back?

So we spent most of this conversation focused on what's been going wrong with AI and surveillance, but now I want to ask you both the opposite question, which is what is an alternative vision for how open societies and AI policing tools would work in a way that's not dystopian, but actually desirable?

You know, not the sort of Robocop or minority report uh vision, but the vision that I don't know if we actually have.

So Andrew, I wanted to start with you.

Grants, have you seen any models of AI police tech that would actually help serve justice and protect our rights?

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I mean it it's sort of the the classic

Who watches the watchers?

And this is sort of essentially AI that helps watch the watchers.

You know, this is also bringing to mind Estonia, which has some laws that could provide a decent model for this.

They've had a data tracker apparently since 2017, where citizens can see which agency accessed their data and for what reason.

So citizens basically are not passive users of services, they own their own data, and unauthorized access is actually a criminal offense.

And their criminal code

Also has a post-surveillance notification requirement.

So once a surveillance authorization expires, the agency must immediately notify both the person that was surveilled.

And any person whose private or family life was significantly affected and who was identified during the proceedings.

I'm just curious if either of you have have heard or thought about this example.

Yeah, I love that example.

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