Tristan Harris

You know, I haven't been too deep on that because there are many people who focus on these more narrow domains.

I mean, the obvious things to be said are just, again, in a race for engagement and attention and a race to hack human attachment, there's going to be, how do you hack human attachment of a young girl?

There's going to be a set of strategies to do that.

And there's how do you hack human attachment of a young male?

There's a set of strategies to do that.

And we're just going to, you know, you can, you can, you don't have to wait for the psychology research, right?

And by the way, the companies, the strategy they did for social media was, let's commission a study with the American Psychological Association and the NSF, and we'll wait 10 years, and we'll really get the data to really find out what's going on here.

We really care about the science.

And this is exactly what the tobacco industry did.

And the fear, uncertainty, doubt campaigns and sort of manufacturing doubt.

Well, maybe here's these five kids that got all this benefit from talking to this therapy bot and they're doing so great now.

So you just cite those positive examples, cherry pick, and then, you know, the world marches on while you keep printing money in the meantime.

And so their goal is just to defer and delay regulation.

and we can't allow that to happen.

But again, this is just one issue of the bigger arms race to AGI and the bigger race to develop this bigger form of intelligence.

The reason I'm saying that, Scott, is not to just be some AGI hyper.

The reason that character.ai was doing all this, by the way, do you know why it was set up to talk to kids and get all this training data?

What's that?

Well, it's to build training data for Google to build an even bigger system.

Because what's the thing that the companies are running out of?