Valentino Stoll
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first heard Sep 2024
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Like, you know, why would they switch to Rails? And maybe until they need like file upload or something. Yeah. No, I don't know. There are some things in Rails that do just work, and they make things very easy. And so I feel like the more we can expose what those things are and how easy it is, the more people will adapt to it, for sure.
So what's something I'm curious, because you're kind of all over the place in the stack. What's something from Rails that you use that you've used in other frameworks that is just unparalleled to using Rails with?
Yeah, I agree there. I mean, it's a little tricky because like I'm still trying to find the right like, front end magic, right? Like if I want to like, I don't know, add some like UX flourishes using some, you know, MPM package or something, uh, there's like kind of eight different ways to integrate that into the real stuff.
Uh, and so, I mean, I, I know that like, you know, there, there is some hope in the, in the pipeline coming. Um, but it's still very much divided on how the best approach is, like the standard is kind of still not firmed yet. I don't know, what's your impression there on like, you know, integrating front-end components that are external to the ecosystem?
Yeah. It's funny. You mentioned Joel Draper.
Flex guy. It made me think of the flex guy.
Yeah. The view component stuff that Joel Hawksley is working on is, is really impressive. I mean, there's only, there's always so much like coming out there too. And I, and I, It makes me think of Joel Draper, who is funny. They're both Joel working on similar things.
With the Flex repo. I mean, I just saw... I've been following the... F L E C K S. Uh, which basically makes like a, uh, bi-directional, you know, data coupled view component basically with flex, uh, that you can like serve asynchronously over web sockets. So like get updates, really cool stuff, uh, where you get kind of like the data coupled, uh, backend to the front end in a single component.
It's like really neat. Uh, To be honest, the whole Phoenix live view, which has been out a long time, right? Yeah. I've been waiting for something like that in Reels for the longest time because we're close with Hotwire. I know that was kind of supposed to be
uh the driver for that it is still a little bit clunky i think with all the ids and trying to manage what streams to what and what what file holds what update right and what gets executed where it's still a little bit hard to follow uh yeah it is i've not used live view but uh live view is obviously purpose built for one thing and stuff like action cable and and uh the
It's a, it's funny that like, you know, Vue component as an example, hasn't like kind of made its way into the Rails ecosystem with how, with its longevity, right?
Obviously there's some trepidation for a reason, right? Like it, it does introduce kind of some, you know, DSL that you have to be familiar with and it's not quite as realcy as it, It could be. I guess it's more the Ruby way than the Rails way, which is kind of funny.
Yeah, it's funny because I remember, you know, I haven't done view components in a while, but the last I did, it was like great encapsulation. You know, you could test the changes that get made to your component. It's encapsulated perfectly. And you know, when you mutate the props, the actual HTML gets rendered, gets changed in specific ways and you don't have to worry about it. It's all Ruby.
I mean, there's a lot of appealing qualities of it. Um, But yeah, I feel like it becomes the same like front end issue of, okay, well, how do you extend it? How do you like add these custom components or custom features? And then you end up tied into the DSL of the framework and because it's its own framework. And I feel like Flex kind of has the same issues there too, right?
If you wanted to create your own, you know, element or something like that or component. It's not exactly straightforward because you have to follow however the framework has it set up. And all of these things go against what most front-end people do. So I feel like the Rails and Ruby developer ecosystem that's full stack slowly gets narrowed in as you get to the front-end.
It's been back-end heavy for a long time. It's been shared. It's getting wider, right? But I feel like even still that... your audience narrows quite a bit when you get closer to the front end side of things.
Well, I think it comes in, I'm torn, right? Like I've been at a small organization where having full stack people is, you know, very beneficial. And like when you have fewer people, it's just easier to move faster if everybody kind of touches on all the same things.
But in a bigger organization, too, it's like kind of nice having people that just devote themselves to like making sure front end components work smoothly. Right. Or like once you get a design system in play, making sure that all the components are uniform across all of your applications and making sure that like things is like it's a smooth experience for the user.
You know, UX is like on its own is amazing. probably its own, you know, field. And so like, if you have a team devoted to just UX, like the number of backend things they'd have to work on is going to get smaller and smaller as they start to, you know, work on more and more of that system that they're building, to be honest. And so it's like, it's a double-edged sword really.
Cause like maybe for like, maybe for most people working in Rails, right? Like you want that full feature set and full stack mentality. Yeah, as a larger entity, it just like becomes less and less attractive or desire, like your need for it starts to thin out, right? After a certain point. So I don't know. The problem is like we need both.
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