Vanessa Grigoriadis

I mean, there's some of that stuff going on.

It was a complicated situation.

They weren't her kids, but they also weren't his kids.

And they're both very Boston, so they're both, or at least we know she is, yellers.

There are some voicemails that came up in this case where Karen, after whatever happened, happened, called John something like 50 times and is like screaming at him and cursing at him.

These are voicemails that I very much recognize as being of a certain Boston type of communication.

They don't seem to me particularly...

Right.

I mean, they appear on video at the waterfall bar looking very affectionate, very friendly.

And so there's no reason to believe that they were driving to the house with any kind of conflict between each other already there.

I mean, I think for her, it was very much sparked by him going into the house, or so she thought, and never coming out and abandoning her.

And it was freezing out.

And it was like 10, 12-ish minutes.

Timelines are a little bit wiggly and disputed in this case.

But we know it was around that period of time that she texted him.

She didn't hear from him.

And she got pissed.

And she left, which, by the way, in my opinion, consistent with her personality to just be like, F this.

I'm out of here.

I mean, from what we sort of have seen in her other communications.