Vika Krieger

Like you don't wake up every morning being like, how is this thing that I'm working on going to harm people, right?

Yeah.

So like having a team that is their job, like it actually made it a lot easier.

And did you –

Yeah, I'd just walk into a meeting with Mark Zuckerberg, open my Talmud, and just be like, Mark, it says it right here in the Talmud.

You've got to change the newsfeed algorithm.

No, I mean, it's interesting because I think actually when they recruited me, I'm just like, first of all, I just want to let you guys know that I'm not a very ethical person.

We're like, that's okay.

Even better.

But I'm not like a conceptual ethicist.

I have no professional background in ethics, right?

I don't come with like frameworks for like ethical reasoning and things like that.

But basically, like the first thing that I really tried to impart to people was like, number one, like it's generally not right versus wrong.

like, generally, it's not like, you know, either we launch this product, and it brings us lots of revenue and more clicks, but it might cause a genocide in Myanmar, you know, like, it's not like those types of trade offs.

It's more like, hey, like we could do end to end encryption for all of our messaging, which is great for privacy.

And everybody's like really being the drum on privacy.

But that means we don't have access to any of the content in those messages.

And there might be

proliferation of all you know human trafficking and child pornography and terrorist extremist groups so it's like that's a trade-off like optimize for privacy or optimize for safety yeah and like

being able to surface that and sort of frame it in a way where it's like, what are we going to optimize for?