Vince Hurley

This means attending to some seriously awful scenes.

And I know your own welfare probably isn't front of mind in dealing with these things.

That's the welfare of the woman or the girl or the victim in question.

Nonetheless, it must have worn you down a bit.

Yeah.

Were you a drinker or did you seek solace in other things?

How did you?

So how do you find the resilience to keep coming back to work in that environment?

Do you have to let yourself grieve rather than try and medicate yourself with whatever's lying around?

Today I'm with former police officer and hostage negotiator Vince Hurley.

How did you move from there into hostage negotiation?

Really?

It's that popular?

You mentioned your mum was a particularly compassionate person.

Does she have a role in your life?

being able to undertake this kind of work in your mind and the example she set?

And how do you think that plays into the necessary work of hostage negotiation, that example?

You mentioned there's someone who's potentially suicidal, who's on the threshold of suicide.

That'd be one of the kind of incidents you'd be brought in to deal with.

What other kind of situations would someone like you be brought in to deal with?