Vince Hurley

Far more genteel.

Far more genteel, but nonetheless must be a lot less stressful, a lot more peaceful, or isn't it?

I don't know a lot of happy academics these days, I've got to say.

How are you finding life on the campus?

Are you saying that as someone who is a former hostage negotiator, you feel like you're walking on eggshells in this job?

That's amazing.

What do you miss about police work?

Wow, it's been completely amazing speaking with you, Vincent, hearing your extraordinary life story.

It's been such a pleasure.

Thank you so much.

Vince Hurley now teaches at Macquarie University in their Department of Security Studies and Criminology.

Today's conversation with Vince Hurley was made on the lands of the Gadigal people.

Producer was Maggie Morris.

Executive producer is Nicola Harrison.

I'm Richard Feidler.

Thanks for listening.