Vince Nardo

Right.

You can top grade.

So we look at that.

And it varies on where we're at with the business.

In my former business, we had to unfortunately bring and top grade the executive team down like three times where we had to replace executives because those executives that we had had reached their plateau and we could not get to the next one.

Well, let me ask you this real quick, just on that note, because what are some of the signs when you feel like somebody's plateaued?

Is it burnout?

Is it just their, their demeanor?

Is it just, you see the results are not increasing their KPIs aren't getting better.

Like what exactly?

Cause if you did it three times, you probably know exactly like this is exactly by the second time we realized this was exactly what we needed.

Yeah.

So, um,

Usually you can, for me, I can usually expose it when we're talking about the next level.

Like, where are we going next?

And there is no input from that person of, you know, they can't see their path to that.

Right.

Where if I look at some of the other executives we've had involved in the business, they know, like, these are the actions we got to take to get to 100 million.

These are the actions we got to take to get to 150 million.

It's clear in their mind the path to get there, where those that are reaching a plateau, they're going, I just don't understand how we can get there.