Wawa Gatheru

They've bought back two plantations that their ancestors were previously enslaved upon, and they're using them as sites of reclamation, fighting against the narrative violence of plantation tourism, as well as using them as sites to educate their communities about how the petrochemical industry is basically poisoning the health of their communities, and they're fighting back and winning.

And it's so cool.

If more people knew about women like Dr. Joe and Joy Banner, who are the founders of the Descendants Project, I feel like

more folks to lean into climate optimism and see the possibilities of how they could get involved too.

Yeah, so I think it depends on the context, right?

So if someone's interested in BGE, usually they're like a black girl environmentalist or maybe someone who hasn't always felt like that term has resonated with them.

So I think it's really important for me to meet people where they're at.

And I think that might be something that we're missing

from sustainability or environmental discourse at large, it always feels like a zero sum game.

You ask something about AI, you ask something about recycling, and no matter how you answer it, you're gonna make someone mad.

And that's fair, we all have different opinions, but I do think that we should be leaning into these conversations with values.

There are certain things that we can all get behind.

In fact, when we look at polling, the majority of Americans believe our government should be doing more around safeguarding clean air and clean water.

and safeguarding healthy communities.

That's something we can get behind.

I'd rather have those conversations to bring people in and then talk about the solutions from there.

I would say something I would like to see is less youth climate activists or less youth activists.

I started at 15, and sometimes I wonder what it would have been like for me to spend more time being a kid.

And now I'm adult, and now I have to do big girl stuff.

And sometimes I want to...