Wendy Zuckerman

Yeah, so they picked out the 20 patients that were most suspicious because they couldn't exhume a thousand bodies. So these are the suspicious cases.

I think we don't know. They could have been killed with succinylcholine. Instead, or it could have been that the pavillon wasn't at too low levels to detect, or it could be that maybe the rest of the patients actually weren't killed by Ephraim. We don't know. That's the thing. When you don't find the chemical, you just don't know what the answer is.

I think we don't know. They could have been killed with succinylcholine. Instead, or it could have been that the pavillon wasn't at too low levels to detect, or it could be that maybe the rest of the patients actually weren't killed by Ephraim. We don't know. That's the thing. When you don't find the chemical, you just don't know what the answer is.

But finding the chemical showed that at least with six patients. There was this drug in there. Wow. Because that's how many patients, that's how many bodies that they found Pavalon in the end. It was six, including Jose Alfaro, who fought in World War II, Salvia Satrian, and Eleonora Schlegel, who toasted to the New Year with her son. Mm-hmm.

But finding the chemical showed that at least with six patients. There was this drug in there. Wow. Because that's how many patients, that's how many bodies that they found Pavalon in the end. It was six, including Jose Alfaro, who fought in World War II, Salvia Satrian, and Eleonora Schlegel, who toasted to the New Year with her son. Mm-hmm.

And still after this test, the cops actually aren't ready to arrest Efren just yet because this was happening just a few years after the OJ Simpson trial. And that case kind of fell on its face because the cops messed up and mishandled evidence.

And still after this test, the cops actually aren't ready to arrest Efren just yet because this was happening just a few years after the OJ Simpson trial. And that case kind of fell on its face because the cops messed up and mishandled evidence.

So Armando and his colleagues not only test the bodies for Pavalon, but then all kinds of stuff around the bodies because there was this suggestion that maybe Pavalon would be in the soil or would have been in the crypt water or the embalming fluid and then made its way into the bodies. And so they test that stuff. Everything's looking fine.

So Armando and his colleagues not only test the bodies for Pavalon, but then all kinds of stuff around the bodies because there was this suggestion that maybe Pavalon would be in the soil or would have been in the crypt water or the embalming fluid and then made its way into the bodies. And so they test that stuff. Everything's looking fine.

You know, when Ian Musgrave, who was our pharmacologist, read details about their work, he He said, and I have never heard an academic describe a paper like this, but he said it was like seeing an experienced figure skater. Every move is smooth and beautiful. I love that. This one can appreciate the art. Yeah. Yes.

You know, when Ian Musgrave, who was our pharmacologist, read details about their work, he He said, and I have never heard an academic describe a paper like this, but he said it was like seeing an experienced figure skater. Every move is smooth and beautiful. I love that. This one can appreciate the art. Yeah. Yes.

And so in January 2001, this is three years after Efren's first confession, the cops arrest him on his way to work at a construction site. John brings him in for questioning. He tells Efren all the evidence that they have, that Pavalon was found in six bodies.

And so in January 2001, this is three years after Efren's first confession, the cops arrest him on his way to work at a construction site. John brings him in for questioning. He tells Efren all the evidence that they have, that Pavalon was found in six bodies.

And as John remembers it, Efren confesses to killing the patients and at first he won't say how many he killed and instead he tells John what it takes to kill patients using Pavalon. And he says with just one vial, you can kill a lot of people.

And as John remembers it, Efren confesses to killing the patients and at first he won't say how many he killed and instead he tells John what it takes to kill patients using Pavalon. And he says with just one vial, you can kill a lot of people.

What? Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Your mouth fell agape when you heard these numbers. Tell me what you're thinking.

What? Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Your mouth fell agape when you heard these numbers. Tell me what you're thinking.

No, he didn't remember the patients. I mean, he even said that he like lost count at 60 patients.

No, he didn't remember the patients. I mean, he even said that he like lost count at 60 patients.

So as for the question of why he did it, John actually got, when I asked him, the cop, you know, what do people get wrong when they report this story? And he got quite passionate and he just said, you know, this case has been reported as an angel of death case that Ephraim was trying to reduce their suffering. Mm-mm.