Wes Moore

The more people I can have being productive members of my community, the less money I have to spend on social services.

And so I actually think this is actually a good investment to be able to do these things.

And if the president is going to adjust it, my point is this, then have a conversation with the nation's governors who are your partners inside of this work.

But you cannot just unilaterally decide that you're going to adjust it and again, violate the law to do it and then expect for us

to just come up with it.

That's not the way a partnership is supposed to work.

Listen, I will debate with anyone who is saying that you need to be able to break the law in order to be humane.

No.

No, you need to make sure you are both doing two things, right?

You've got to make sure you are following the law.

You've got to make sure you are following the Constitution.

And you can make sure that you're also being humane with the people in your jurisdictions.

And I don't think you have to choose between those two things.

So I can tell you, I think about this as a parent.

Right, and I think about this as someone with a 12-year-old son, 14-year-old daughter.

I want them to get some sports, the same thing that I got from sports, where it gave me a chance to be a part of a team.

It gave me a chance to learn great life lessons.

Like from sports, I learned how to win and how to lose.

And it gave me a chance to compete fairly.

And I think we have to always show a sense of humanity in where we are.