Will O'Callaghan

I don't want to give away this episode too much, but is it simplistic when people claim that Franco got involved and that's the reason the transfer didn't happen?

No.

Definitely for Barcelona fans for a long time, this was the accusation.

It was, Franco's got an issue with Catalan independence, he's got an issue with the Catalan region, and he made sure the best player went to Real Madrid.

I think before Cruyff comes in, they'd either come rid of more trophies than Barcelona.

The 60s and the late 50s, obviously when Real became incredible.

was basically a barren wasteland.

Six-part series.

Murray Kempis, the Spurs will also come up as well.

So next Monday, if you want to hear about Ronaldo, how he could have maybe ended up with Rangers, it's going to be available on the OTB Football Podcast feed, I assume as well, Richie, wherever anyone gets their podcasts.

Absolutely, William.

Don't stay away as long as next time.

All right.

Cheers, Rich.

Best of luck with the podcast.

Thanks, Will.

Football on Off the Ball.

Word on the Street on Off the Ball.

Word on the Street on Off the Ball.

Yeah, it's kind of good.