Willie Robertson

And then about three years later, Duck Dynasty hits.

He bought into the Duck Commander business.

Every time Willie comes to the podcast, he said, Zach, we still trying to see who's going to come out on top.

The worst was when I got a video from Willie, and he was at Dave Ramsey's house.

And he was like, hey, remember that time you were doing that Dave Ramsey thing, and you said you do your thing, I do mine.

Well, I'm here with Dave right now.

We're looking for Dave's envelopes, but we haven't.

It was funny.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, the story of David.

We are in the story of David.

Speaking of rivalries, Saul had a rivalry with David.

So our lecture four, if you're coming along with us, it's unashamedforhillsdale.com, and you can sign up to take the course.

But we're in lecture four, which these four and five to me were so good.

Give us an overview, Al, of where we're at.

In the story, because I think you're probably the best at kind of just talking about the history of where we're at.

That's exactly right.

Well, I think about this, like Saul here, because it is interesting that at first he's so reluctant.

to assume the role of king and then later on in the story he's like holding on to it with all of the strength even though he knows that he's going to lose it because he's already been told that but he's still like even with that he's like no i gotta hold on to this and um