Willow Defebaugh

Not to hand you a binary gift.

To make meaning out of matter is our destiny.

Just because these have been two different sort of threads in this conversation, like, how do you perceive the difference between identity and the self?

So how do you separate the soul from personality?

I had someone once define, you know, actually it was my mother.

She defined integrity that way.

Because integrity is showing up as yourself in every situation.

I was going to say integral.

Oh, that also makes me think of what Diane Ackerman shared last night around the universe.

It's the one verse.

Both scientific and poetic.

I want to close this beautiful conversation with a word that is also somewhat central to traversal, which is love.

You have this beautiful line where you write that enough might be love's other name.

How are you thinking about love right now for you and your life?

And I think that this equating of love and enough is so profound because I think, you know, to know that we are here in the uncertainty of everything.

And to not fall in love with the narrative or the performance of the other.

Beautiful question to end on.

To close out this episode, I thought I would share a couple of the poems, or as Maria calls them, divinations, that her and I have written for our collaboration, Reweaving the Rainbow.

Mind you, these were both written using words found in just one scientific article.

Here's mine.