Willow Defebaugh

And it's part of what's frightening, right, is to understand some of the long-term damage that's being done.

And at the same time, this is a moment in time.

And I'm thinking if everyone is only pointing out everything that's wrong, then we don't have anyone who's pointing out what's right and how do we get there.

And so when I think about the role that I want Outmost to play in the world right now, I want it to be that lighthouse.

I want it to be that space where people can dream, that garden where people can plant seeds of what the different future looks like.

Because I have learned in my own life that it is very hard to change if you are only focused on getting the negative off of your plate.

But if instead you focus on filling your plate with as much of the good as you possibly can, then over time there is naturally less room for everything else.

And I think that that's just more of an effective tool for creating change.

And I think the environmental movement, we've been going with the same story for a long time.

It's been, if we don't act, we're all doomed.

And... Dooms maxing.

Yeah, dooms maxing.

You should coin that.

I mean, for real, like solution maxing.

Yeah.

So I think like that's the role that I want to play in the world right now is like re-enchanting people with nature.

You know, we are surrounded.

We have like many design challenges all around us, but we also have so many teachers.

Like every other species is another teacher.

You know, something that I've been...