Willow Defebaugh

We'll be back to our conversation in a moment.

But first, I have an invitation.

If you're enjoying this conversation or the nature of, I would love it if you could share it with a friend.

I think we have this idea that change has to happen at massive scale, but there is great power in one-to-one relationships too.

So if you can bring just one more person to our show, it would make such a difference to help us continue to grow and spread ideas that change the way we live.

Thank you for being here.

I love you talking about we need builders, we need jesters with your carabiner earrings.

She's here.

She's ready to build.

And we need more joy in the environmental movement.

It's been like, join or else has kind of been the message.

Like, who wants to respond to that party invitation?

Like, literally gun at our head, join or else.

Well, and also like you have to be perfect to join.

You have to like look like this exact vision of what liberalism says you look like.

I know that's something that you've been thinking about too.

It's like, and this is like also one of the hardest things of this moment is like, how do we kind of build bridges?

And, you know, it seems like this country is so extremely divided that,

And at the same time, we know that there is a shared love of nature across the political spectrum in the U.S.

Where is your head at with building nonpartisan bridges right now?