Winston Marshall
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first heard Mar 2025
last heard 13 May
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With regard to the national identity, forgive me for going there, and what I'm reading from what you're saying, but maybe I've got this wrong, is that there's a correct interplay, a correct sacrifice that the nation should have for the individual and the individual should have had for the nation. There's a certain amount of the individual should give to the nation and the nation in return.
So just on that, because the added problem, I think, for the British and the English, if we're going to use biblical terms, is that covenant, you used that. Now, Israel, the Israelites, are going in and out of, if you read through the Old Testament, they're in and out of covenant. They break their covenant with God. Yeah, continually, yeah.
Even after Moses brings them to the promised land, then you have, I guess you have Joshua, but then the book of Judges, they break their covenant. They have false gods and they have this chaos. They fragment.
Yeah, exactly. So I think that that's kind of what we're experiencing now. But we... we can't quite agree what that covenant is. I mean, it's even taboo now to suggest we're a Christian country. So even though our flag is Christian, even though our national anthem starts with the word God. Your king is head of the church. Our king is head of the church. Nominally.
That has been tied in with one of the, it's not quite taboo, but it actually was taboo to even say you're a Christian until the last five years or so. When I started in the music industry, I was told, whatever you do, don't tell anyone you're a Christian, even though I wasn't at the time.
And that might have changed, but we are so lost, we have so broken our covenant as a nation with who we were, who founded us, that I guess it's the period of judges. So not only have we, how can we work out what the correct relationship is with the nation where we can't even identify what the nation is?
Or pluribus unum of anyone. But they were founded as a multicultural nation where they found a meta-narrative to unite all the subcultures. Europe has a completely different problem.
But that's maybe where we've got then, so back to the post-war period. Yeah.
it's we we can't let the holocaust happen again obviously we all agree on that so then we must prioritize those minorities we must prioritize those minorities over the majority which is part of the motivation to kind of kill that common culture that we we had i think which is also why i don't know if you saw the uh ordo amoris argument come up between uh there's a sort of english
I guess I would say open society ideologue called Rory Stewart against J.D. Vance, and they're arguing about the correct order of love. And the open society types want to prefer the other over the... Yes, yes, I saw that. The conservatives want to prioritize the family.
Yeah, well, I think, yeah, go ahead. If you carry on with that also, I think that you could tie in the environmental stuff. Yes, I agree. They go all the way that they even prioritize animals and the environment and not just all sentient beings, but all living life and rocks, you know.
They go so much to the extreme there, and that's why you have the rise of veganism and all this other stuff, possibly.
Well, it's actually worse because they don't, they say that you owe the same amount as everyone, but they actually even prioritize the other. So, it's not right. It's kind of, it's an inversion, which I think goes back to this ick, this post-war ick.
A more extreme version is what Helen Joyce would describe what's happening psychologically to the parents who are letting their children transition. Because how could they possibly admit to what they've done? They've essentially butchered their own children to this ideology. For their own moral self-aggrandizement.
Or for prioritizing this other, these vulnerable, and so they've sacrificed their own children for those people.
You said earlier about the damage that psychologists have done, which made me think of, there was an American psychologist in the 50s called Gordon Allport. And he had this concept of the sort of hate speech pyramid. where at the bottom you have hurty words, and at the top you have genocide.
And this is part of the same worldview of the open society ideology, is that we've got to stop the Holocaust happening again. And this... in terms of damage done by psychologists, I think is the foundation that's led to hate speech and led to hurty words being criminalized in Britain. And I'm not sure if you've been following- Oh, yes. The level of not just- Non-crime hate incidents?
Of which has been a quarter million registered since 2014.
So now that's coming out where someone got a non-crime hate incident for hanging soiled jeans in their back garden, or a young girl was booked for calling another girl retarded in school, or saying that another one smelled like fish. It's totally insane. But the other side of that is what Schellenberger calls a censorship industrial complex, which has been turbocharged
as a fight against the populist movement, which is a movement, I think, in spirit, against the open society's ideology. I'm banging on the open society's ideology, but I think it's the most helpful way for me to understand the populist movement, which I'm interested in hearing your critique about populism.
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