Yusra Elbagir

I mean, there were the ramblings of someone who is of a certain age, but also has so much they wanna say and goes off on tangents, homophobic tangents, for example, tribalistic tangents.

But he was, what was interesting is that he was up for the fight.

He liked that he was being interviewed properly.

I actually found that I felt like at some point he enjoyed that it was a bit of a fight that we were, you know, I wasn't agreeing with him, that I was challenging him.

So I found that interesting that there was still that kind of spirit in him where he wanted to be challenged and not just pander to like everyone around him.

In terms of his health,

moved, walked very quickly, was very, seemed very fit.

I was actually quite surprised because, you know, he's my father's age on paper.

And, you know, he seemed very fighting fit, you know, for his age in terms of his movements and how quickly he moved around the gardens.

We were in the garden of the state lodge where he lives in the state house compound in the center of Kampala.

What Succession planned for me was almost like a dead end because as soon as you ask him about Succession, he says, whoever my party wants.

As soon as I asked him about him, how long he wants to rule, he said, whatever my party wants, whatever the people want.

So he kind of sticks to that line that he had as a rebel leader, which is,

It's about the people because I did challenge him on that because we I met him 40 years on from the Bush war victory that brought him into power.

And what people kind of forget is that he had two unelected terms before the 1996 election.

So he's actually seeking his he's now going into his ninth term after seven election wins.

And so I was really curious to see what changed for him in terms of his mentality, because there are so many quotes on record of him saying that the problem with Africa is not the people.

It's the leaders who want to hold on to power.

You know, he has all these kind of like he just has these gems about democracy and people power and you think it's real.

So I wanted to find out what the contradiction was.