Yusra Elbagir

And his constant rebuttal was the people have elected me.

They want me.

And so it did kind of bring some insight or it kind of helped me understand that this whole process is about that for him potentially, that he sees this process as a legitimization of this continued

reign so that he can somehow feel like the things that he believed in when he was younger and the things that he espoused when he was younger still hold true because he never he never really shifted on that he never said no well things change he said no the people have elected me because I'm here and I have the knowledge and I have the experience and

you should be so lucky, essentially.

The people of Uganda are lucky that he's still around to share the experience that he has.

And I do feel like there's this paternalism that he has, that Mugabe had, that a lot of liberation leaders turned despots have, where it's, I'm the one who could hold it together because I'm the one who knows what it took to

have this, to create this, to build this for you all.

Kagame in a way.

His line about the internet, Kagame, A&C at large.

And that kind of showed in the line of, we built the internet because that's it.

We built this country so we can switch it off and we can shut it down when we want.

And I kind of knew going into it that that was potentially the mentality.

And so it was really interesting to see the ways that it kind of manifested in the micro, whether it was the internet or it was, you know, he spoke to me about Sudan and his time, you know, talking to Bashir and to Rabi about the issues in Sudan.

And one of the things that was interesting is that he said to me, you know, we spent a lot of time telling Omar al-Bashir that you should be looking at interest, not identity.

And the irony is, is that Museveni has created many districts based on ethnicity and tribe in Uganda.

He's multiplied districts.

And so I actually believe that he's done both.

It's identity and interest, but ultimately self-interest.

So speaking to him,