Zoë Grünewald

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1,028 appearances 5 recordings 1 series first heard Sep 2024 last heard 9 Jul

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But I think there's a risk with things always looking calculated.

You know, the public see through those political calculations.

And if they were frustrated about

you know, the churn of changing leaders, how does it sit with them if there's another general election?

Well, going back to Ed Miliband, you know,

I'd be very interested to know if some of the misgivings about him from way back when, when he was Labour leader, persist.

You know, I remember when he kind of left politics and was a podcaster for a bit.

I interviewed him and listened to that podcast.

I thought it was great.

And I thought him actually outside of politics was really dynamic, interesting, very funny person.

Very warm, very charismatic person.

Part of me thought, oh God, why weren't you like this when you were leader?

Maybe actually people would have warmed to you.

That was the beginning of personality politics after all.

But yeah, I wonder if it will persist.

But anyway, just sorry.

You mentioned England winning the World Cup.

I just have to say, this is how I know that I am an optimist.

Because honestly...

I think maybe.

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