Zoë Grünewald

And what about criminal ramifications for some of the actors involved in this?

My goodness me. I remember when we interviewed Peter Apps, one of the things he pointed out was that the story of Grenfell really lays bare the inequalities in society and whose lives matter more, who has more power, who has more influence.

My goodness me. I remember when we interviewed Peter Apps, one of the things he pointed out was that the story of Grenfell really lays bare the inequalities in society and whose lives matter more, who has more power, who has more influence.

You know, so Leslie Thomas Casey, representing the survivors and victims' families, made the point that while Kensington and Chelsea is one of the smallest and richest boroughs, Grenfell's residents were overwhelmingly working class. He said the fire was inextricably linked with race. I'm just wondering, what did the report say on this?

You know, so Leslie Thomas Casey, representing the survivors and victims' families, made the point that while Kensington and Chelsea is one of the smallest and richest boroughs, Grenfell's residents were overwhelmingly working class. He said the fire was inextricably linked with race. I'm just wondering, what did the report say on this?

I suppose it doesn't go so far as to use the word racist or institutional racism.

I suppose it doesn't go so far as to use the word racist or institutional racism.

James Riding, thank you so much for joining us on Podsafe the UK.

James Riding, thank you so much for joining us on Podsafe the UK.

Now, the Tory leadership race is in full swing, with leadership hopefuls launching their bids this week and the first elimination due after we record this afternoon. But according to a new poll from YouGov, most of the new Tory leadership hopefuls aren't very well known, with one significant outlier, Priti Patel.

Now, the Tory leadership race is in full swing, with leadership hopefuls launching their bids this week and the first elimination due after we record this afternoon. But according to a new poll from YouGov, most of the new Tory leadership hopefuls aren't very well known, with one significant outlier, Priti Patel.

She's far better known than any of the other candidates, with 82% of those polled knowing her name, but perhaps for the wrong reasons.

She's far better known than any of the other candidates, with 82% of those polled knowing her name, but perhaps for the wrong reasons.

So the polling organisation More In Common have done some polling that kind of backs up what you said there. Voters essentially think that the Conservatives are weird.

So the polling organisation More In Common have done some polling that kind of backs up what you said there. Voters essentially think that the Conservatives are weird.

Getting a bit weird, isn't it? So do you think... I mean, surely the logical step is for them to just get a total nobody in. Like, wipe that slate clean. No?

Getting a bit weird, isn't it? So do you think... I mean, surely the logical step is for them to just get a total nobody in. Like, wipe that slate clean. No?

So just for clarity for any of our listeners who are not familiar with what a Zempik is, a Zempik is a weight loss drug. It's traditionally prescribed on the NHS for people who are struggling to lose weight and who also have other comorbidities that would make a significant amount of holding weight dangerous for them. However, you can get it privately. There's been a run on

So just for clarity for any of our listeners who are not familiar with what a Zempik is, a Zempik is a weight loss drug. It's traditionally prescribed on the NHS for people who are struggling to lose weight and who also have other comorbidities that would make a significant amount of holding weight dangerous for them. However, you can get it privately. There's been a run on

Coming back to that thought of, I've done a Zen pick, but I didn't enjoy it. Is it some sort of, I'm actually very hard? Is it? I'm so tough.