Zoë Grünewald
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first heard Sep 2024
last heard 9 Jul
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You know, they need to try shifting to the right to see just how fundamentally it will not work because you can't out-Farage Farage. The last time the Tories suffered a similar loss was in 1997, and it took 13 years and four different leaders to return to power. Now, historical comparisons aren't always useful, but
It does take a long time to rebuild, especially when the Conservatives had such a trouncing and they have such a poor economic record. You know, the economy was the Tories' strength. They trashed that. So you have to really ask why anyone would return to the Conservatives. I think Badenoch will eventually be out. I don't think she'll lead the Conservatives into the next election.
I think the Conservative Party would have a better chance with James Cleverley, and I think that was the fear in Labour circles, was actually he would win the leadership election and they would have a much tighter race. The idea that Badenoch, who is just known for being divisive, you know, she could start a fight in an empty room, is the person to unite the Conservative Party...
And bring the public back. It's just, I don't know what the party was thinking. But then again, they weren't really thinking that because out of 121 Tory MPs, only 42 backed her. You know, that wasn't a majority. So I don't think she'll last. I don't know why she hasn't suggested any substantial policy yet. I think that's a mistake because she's letting Nigel Farage outflank her on the right.
And they're not even acknowledging the fact that they lost a lot of voters to the Lib Dems. You know, there's still a huge caucus of voters who left the Tories to go to the Lib Dems and Labour because they missed the kind of centre right, sort of more moderate conservatism that was basically purged from the party during the Brexit years.
So I don't think she's going to take them to the next election. But I don't know how many leaders they're going to have until they see something like electoral victory again.
No. No. Because the reform party is Nigel Farage. I mean, you only have to see how they massively excelled in sort of the polls and popularity and profile after they managed to get Nigel Farage to come and actually stand for them. I mean, who do you have when you take Farage out? Richard Tice? I mean, you know, who cares about him? And... Who else is there?
Rupert Lowe's getting a lot of attention. He's trying though, isn't he? He's been tweeting a lot of Musk talking points. But again, I think, you know, Nigel Farage is such a divisive personality. A lot of reform voters love him. They don't love him in the same way they like Richard Tice.
And I think a lot of people just listen to Farage or just care about seeing Farage rather than actually taking in the substance of what he's saying. That's why reforms policies haven't had the scrutiny that they should have, because it is just about Farage. Once you take them away, they just become a protest party with, you know, completely incongruent policy positions.
I actually think Musk and Farage might make up. I think there might be some thawing of relations. I mean, Nigel Farage apparently said that Musk has already retweeted him twice. So who knows? Maybe they'll make up, which just has such a touch of the sort of teenage... crush about it, doesn't it? It's so pathetic.
But I think what it does tell us is this whole unholy trinity of right-wing men is fractious and can chop and change at any minute.
And that's the problem, you know, and I think that's where Labour are really hoping if they just plough ahead and continue with their boring, sensible, you know, policymaking, that the public will get bored of the psychodrama and hopefully see some change.
I'm not sure. I think there's still a sense that reform will potentially damage Labour in some working class areas. I think the Tories are preparing themselves for another trancing. And I think Kemi Badenoch will be very worried because once, you know, the party has a taste for regicide, it likes removing its leaders.
Once they see a poor set of election results, especially in comparison to reform, I think they might get nervous. So she'll have her work cut out for her. But I do think it will be interesting because reform is talking a really big game at the minute. They're talking about their membership kind of spiraling. But there isn't necessarily a link between membership and doing well electorally. Yeah.
And actually, the sort of people that are joining reform, their members are old, they're very online. They don't actually go out and leaflet. So in the 2024 election, 34% of reform members delivered party leaflets compared to 47% of Tory members, 50% of Labour members and 59% of Liberal Democrats. They don't organise a round elections in the way that you would want them to.
And also, the other thing is, once you have lots of highly engaged ideological members who join a political party, this can actually make the party more out of step with public opinion. So we saw this, you know, during Liz Truss when there were lots of Tory members who wanted her to be a leader.
it actually dragged the party to the right in a way that made it actually less in touch with the electorate. And we know that Reform have had problems before with members saying racist things or anti-Semitic things or Islamophobic things and then needing to be kicked out. So just because they have an explosion of members doesn't mean that's going to help Reform electorally.
Sounds great.
It's crazy. I mean, it was obvious this was going to happen. You know, all these tech bosses going cap in hand to Donald Trump, essentially. They are trying to bend his ear. They see how Elon Musk has played him wrong. And they want a piece of the pie. Donald Trump also threatened Zuckerberg with jail time, essentially, if he moderated posts to do with the 2024 election.
And it's going to be extremely messy because Donald Trump's economic policies, I think, eventually will come into conflict with what these tech bros want. You know, they want a very, very globalized system. And Donald Trump wants America to be very isolationist. And eventually these two schools of thought must crash into each other.
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