Zuby

Naturally, most people just want to avoid that.

Also, just when it comes to thinking, it's a lot easier to just think in black and white and to think in binary and to think, you know, my tribe good, your tribe bad, comes from this side good, comes from that side bad.

And that's it.

You know, my side good, that side evil.

And there are quite literally millions of people.

And that is like their thinking framework when it comes to politics, when it comes to cultural issues, when it comes to social issues.

And then beyond all of this, all of this is already a problem.

And then you slap social media and algorithms on top of it.

And you see what gets rewarded, right?

You see what gets response.

You see what gets reaction.

You see what gets clicks.

And once people see that, they want more of it because, you know, I know you talk a lot about the status game, right?

I listened to your TED talk.

And so people are chasing the status or they're chasing the fame or they're chasing followers or they're chasing influence or they're chasing money, right?

Like there's money in all of this as well.

So

It's quite difficult for people.

I think there are multiple things going on there.

There's the sort of intellectual challenge.