#49: Why We Should Stop Eating Lettuce | Tamar Haspel
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Why did lettuce become a major source of foodborne illness?
All right, Tamar Haspel, you are a good friend. You wrote the book, To Boldly Grow. You write Washington Post's Unearthed column. I think that a good way to describe you is you're a serial killer of sacred cows in the food and nutrition space, and you got something new in your target, lettuce. You wrote a column, Why We Should Stop Eating Lettuce. Now, this was all prompted by this wave of explosive diarrhea. Caused by lettuce. Ironically, caused by poop on lettuce. So you write this column and you wrote, quote, leafy greens are responsible for more illnesses than any other food category, according to the CDC. So why is lettuce responsible for so much foodborne illness?
Lettuce. We love to love it because it's like the first place we go to when we think of, okay, how are we going to eat better? Oh, we're going to eat salads. But the reality is that lettuce tops the charts on foodborne illnesses. And it has other issues too. We'll get to those. But there are two reasons. that lettuce is the number one foodborne illness problem. One is that we eat it raw. And of course, lots of pathogens die when you cook them. So if your collard greens have the parasite on them, you'll never know because you cook them with a little vinegar, a ham hock, and you're good to go. But lettuce, you eat raw. And lettuce has all kinds of nooks and crannies where pathogens can hide. And so it's really, really difficult to wash lettuce thoroughly.
Now, washing produce in general doesn't eliminate the risk, but it can cut it down. But if you have a pathogen on your cucumber, say, which is also eaten raw... You can wash it, you can peel it, and you're less likely to get sick. But lettuce is almost impossible to make pathogen-free once the pathogens get on it.
How many cases of foodborne illness are we talking here? Do you have any idea on what the number is?
Yeah,
the
paper that I looked at said that lettuce is responsible for about 1.7 million cases of foodborne illnesses per year, which costs us, you know, $3.7 billion. I hope those numbers are right. I'm working from memory here. And that's a lot. That's a lot of sick people. That's a lot of money. um and but still lettuce lettuce just people love to love less and you know i thought i didn't really have any friends before i wrote this column but afterwards it's like the hate just came seeping out of the internet
yeah so i want to i want to get to that i have a couple final questions on lettuce sickness We had the explosive diarrhea wave, which that just gripped the nation for a while, just terrified people. How bad are these cases in general? Do we have a sense of, so we say like 1.7 million, is it?
Yeah, it's really hard to say because they really run the gamut. Very few of them are fatal and not that many require hospitalization. Most of these things are like the cyclospora where most people are just sick for a couple of days or And then you get better. So it's not really a life-threatening problem. It's just an illness problem. But of course, if you're immunocompromised, then all bets are off and it can be seriously dangerous.
So even in lettuce, when I go and I buy a bag of lettuce at the grocery store, it'll say things like triple washed. So, and then does that mean I almost have to wash it a fourth time, a fifth time to reduce my risk? Or is it just like, good luck out there, buddy?
If you're afraid of the pathogens in lettuce, the thing to do is just to not buy it. Because if it's triple washed, okay, that's great. But the problem with the bagged lettuce is that the procedure by which you bag lettuce introduces more opportunities for pathogens to get in. And so bagged lettuce, you know, after I wrote the column about lettuce, I got an email from Bill Marler, who is a famous attorney who works on foodborne illnesses. And he pointed out the difference that bagged lettuce is more dangerous than head lettuce because there's more opportunity for the pathogen to sneak in.
Why is that? Just water?
Yeah, water and any kind of processing is going to introduce the opportunity for pathogens to spread.
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