Chapter 1: What are the trigger warnings for this episode?
Before we begin, just a trigger warning. The following episode contains references to graphic physical violence. Please listen with care. I mean, Chris, do you believe that Daniel Marsh was a serial killer in training?
Absolutely. Without a doubt. That if he had been allowed to keep on going, he actually talked about how he was going to take his next victim.
Almost four hours into questioning at the police station, Daniel Marsh admitted to FBI Special Agent Chris Campion that he had murdered Claudia Maupin and Chip Northup. But he didn't stop there. Campion learned the teenager was already thinking about his next killing.
Chapter 2: Was Daniel Marsh a serial killer in training?
Well, it's kind of this way. Do the same thing, only with a different mask and a different gloves, a different jacket. And instead of breaking in, I figured I'd get somebody when they're alone at night out in the street or out somewhere. Just find somebody alone at night and beat them to death with a baseball bat.
Okay.
Did you have anybody in mind?
No.
Had you actually gone out looking for someone?
He was someone who did not have a conscience.
You believe Daniel Marsh is a psychopath.
I do. I believe Daniel Marsh is a psychopath. I knew it when he was talking to me. He actually admitted it.
I don't feel sympathy for other people at all.
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Chapter 3: What evidence did police find linking Daniel to the murders?
It's so dark. It's just so dark.
Adding to Victoria's horror was the score of friends and fans, yes, fans, who showed up to the trial to support Daniel.
He had a lot of goth followers, so he had a lot of young women who were following him, acting like little teenage girls, you know, dressed in black and black makeup and all that and thinking that he was innocent, you know. And if he could have waved at them or hugged them or shook them hands, it was like he was a celebrity. Like he was the celebrity that he wanted to be. No remorse. Oh, no.
He was reveling in his celebrity.
The prosecution was convinced that not only did Daniel know exactly what he was doing when he killed Chip and Claudia, but the big question at trial, was Daniel in his right mind? Was he sane when committing the murders? Daniel's defense team intended to prove he wasn't. And this was the man they wanted to help make that case.
So my name is Dr. Matthew Soulier and I'm a child forensic psychiatrist. I was hired by his attorney in 2013 to evaluate him as part of his original trial.
I sat down with Dr. Soulier in 2018 and again in 2025.
My job really was to kind of explore his life history, beginning with birth until the day I was meeting him, and try to get a sense of what his life story is, some of his more critical experiences and relationships, history of trauma. And specifically, as it related to the defense, I needed him to tell me about what he did.
And I needed to try to figure out if, in fact, he was, if it was going to be my opinion that he was criminally responsible or not.
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