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Getting Away with Murder

10 Dec 2025

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Chapter 1: What happens when a loved one goes missing?

0.031 - 20.706 Erin Moriarty

When you have someone who's missing in your life, there is no answer.

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22.981 - 41.204 Peter Van Sant

They meet in a brownstone in Brooklyn, New York. I consider us all part of this lonely hearts club, these sad souls. But no one wants to be here. They didn't pay attention to her. She didn't count. Everyone here is related to a missing person.

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41.565 - 48.153 Joe Resnick

But we know that she did not, could not, and would not disappear voluntarily.

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48.653 - 64.865 Peter Van Sant

And every story they tell is heartbreaking. I still feel that maybe somebody's holding her and that maybe one day they'll let her go or she'll escape. But perhaps no story is more mysterious and frightening than this woman's.

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65.065 - 68.309 Kelly Sutherland

I love Christine. I would choose to be with Christine over anybody.

69.09 - 94.834 Peter Van Sant

Her name is Kathy Kupka, the organizer of the group. Her sister Christine disappeared. And by now, Kathy has accepted the sad fact that her missing sister was probably murdered. What she won't accept, she says, is somebody getting away with that murder. And Kathy says she knows exactly who it is. Like, this is so horrible that, you know, I know people try to understand.

Chapter 2: Who is Kathy Kupka and why is she significant to the story?

94.874 - 109.951 Kathy Kupka

But it's so horrible that people can't understand. I think the hardest part is that someone could take someone away from me that meant so much to me, and she didn't mean anything to him. Marshall, who's your favorite auntie?

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109.971 - 132.346 Peter Van Sant

Come here. In 1998, Kathy's sister Christine was 28 years old, a college honors student, She worked as a waitress. She had such beautiful long red hair. And dreamed of becoming a civil rights attorney. And a lot of freckles on her nose. Well, she actually tried to scratch them off. She had a scar on her nose. Somehow, she still found time to call Kathy every day.

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132.406 - 158.041 Peter Van Sant

She was such a caller, because she was really a caller, always calling. I talked to her a million times. When she was with my mom, she was little. She called her mother back home in Wisconsin at least once a week. She was always forthright, honest, and she trusted me. But in the weeks before her disappearance, the main topic of conversation was always the mysterious new man in Christine's life.

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158.502 - 173.298 Peter Van Sant

And he was flirting with her, and she was flirting back. His name is Darshanand Persaud, known to everyone as Rudy. He was Christine's chemistry instructor at college. Did this sound like a big deal initially?

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173.398 - 176.361 Usam Akkadad

No, initially not a big deal, just that she had a crush on him.

176.695 - 185.167 Peter Van Sant

According to Christine's family, she and Rudy didn't date while he was her teacher. But when the semester ended, the relationship began.

185.187 - 189.613 Erin Moriarty

Oh, she thought he was so sweet and nice and like clean cut.

189.813 - 219.421 Peter Van Sant

But when Christine brought him home to meet her roommates, not everybody was as taken with Rudy. What was your first impression of Rudy? My first? Don't like him. Usam Akkadad was Christine's close friend and roommate. He's good looking. He's good looking. But his eyes. Have you seen his eyes? His eyes are really cold. But if that's true, clearly Christine Kupka didn't see it.

219.762 - 246.015 Peter Van Sant

And in the summer of that year, Christine told friends and family what she thought was good news. And then that's Christine with one of her friend's babies. She was pregnant with Rudy Persaud's baby. Did she want that baby? Yes, she did. Yeah, she did. But apparently, Rudy did not. And was he at all interested in being involved with either her or her child?

Chapter 3: What role did Rudy Persaud play in Christine's life?

265.839 - 287.309 Peter Van Sant

Rudy reportedly told Christine he'd be disowned, kicked out of the family's home if anyone found out about the pregnancy. He just went crazy and said, no, it's going to ruin my family. I want nothing more to do with you. But there was something more, something that took Christine entirely by surprise. I still can't believe that he was such a good liar.

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287.349 - 310.675 Peter Van Sant

Rudy Persaud, that's him right there, was married. She was so shocked when he told her that he was married. It was shocking. I mean, we were all shocked. Did he ask her to get an abortion? Yeah. And what was her reaction to that? She said no. It didn't make any difference how much she ranted and raved. She was going to have this baby with or without him.

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310.896 - 331.515 Peter Van Sant

There was one thing Christine did want from Rudy. She was very clear that she was going to put Rudy's name on the birth certificate and that he might be responsible at some point when she went to law school for helping with money. And that, Christine told friends Nick and Susie, made Rudy Persaud absolutely furious.

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331.936 - 340.774 Erin Moriarty

She told me, I talked to her four days before she disappeared, and she said, if anything happens to me, it was Rudy who did it. Just go to the police because Rudy did it to me.

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340.855 - 358.982 Peter Van Sant

Why did she bring that up? Was she afraid of Rudy? She was afraid. She was afraid. But Christine's friends acknowledge that Rudy never specifically threatened her, and that some part of Christine was still in love with him. It was a rotten situation. She was in a definitely rotten situation.

359.131 - 382.506 Peter Van Sant

So despite whatever fears she may have had, on October 24th, 1998, Christine Kupka agreed to meet Rudy Prasad one more time. She told friends Rudy needed her help cleaning his new apartment. She told him to pick her up here at her house in Brooklyn. I said, do you want to do that? And she goes, look, if he kills me, he's going to spend the rest of his life in jail.

383.853 - 390.524 Peter Van Sant

Rudy arrived at Christine's house about noon. And I looked at him. He was pale. I mean, he was just pale.

391.286 - 394.992 Erin Moriarty

He's like, Rudy, are you okay? He's like, yeah, I'm okay. I'm okay.

395.453 - 399.48 Peter Van Sant

Rudy and Christine, then five months pregnant, left the house together.

Chapter 4: How did Christine's friends and family react to her disappearance?

504.434 - 535.571 Peter Van Sant

Where is Christine? Where is Christine? One year after Christine Kutka's disappearance her friends and family are asking the same nagging question. We want the truth now! This time, outside the house of the man they think has the answer. Rudy, Rudy, you can't hide. We charge you with homicide. Rudy Prasad, now a dental student, Rudy lives here with his parents, his wife, and their two children.

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Murder, run!

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538.354 - 557.559 Peter Van Sant

Murder, run! The protesters know Rudy Prasad was the last person seen with Christine. They say he was the father of her unborn child. You can't get away with murder. And they insist that gave him a motive for murder. What about a stranger kidnapping? What about a stranger killing her?

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559.602 - 563.786 Usam Akkadad

I don't know. The day that she went with Rudy finally? I don't know. Too coincidental for me.

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564.067 - 589.654 Peter Van Sant

Christine's sister Kathy says she became instantly convinced of Broussard's guilt. What if you're wrong? No, I'm not wrong. There's no what if I'm wrong. I'm not wrong. Because she says he has behaved like anything but an innocent man. Did Rudy ever call and ask about your sister? Wonder what happened to her? Show some concern? Never. No, he got a lawyer. That was his concern.

589.795 - 603.003 Peter Van Sant

His concern was with himself. After Christine's disappearance, Rudy Prasad refused to talk to Kathy. And for 10 days, wouldn't even talk to police.

604.926 - 627.835 Peter Van Sant

When Prasad finally did agree to answer police questions, with his lawyer present, he reportedly told them that he had driven Christine here to this mall, that he had stayed in his car while she shopped, and that he had later dropped her off near her house. Police have not been able to corroborate his statement. But without hard evidence, they can't disprove it either. Here.

628.102 - 634.951 Peter Van Sant

Christine has no rights, and if I weren't here, do you think anything would be going on? No. Rudy would just be fine.

635.071 - 638.495 Elaine Bodell

Where are we? Irving and Hart Corner.

Chapter 5: What does the investigation reveal about Rudy's actions?

669.212 - 674.46 Gil Alba

He got rid of what he wanted to. So he's totally satisfied. Let's go around and look out there, okay?

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674.48 - 693.445 Peter Van Sant

Okay. Let's go. See the lights there in the back? Yeah. Now... He's looking for maybe blood on the walls. He's looking for hard evidence. We're going to search up here in the back over here in the woods. And Kathy has put her life on hold to help him. This is an isolated spot. Nobody's been up here in a long time. Yeah. Together, they've crisscrossed New York City.

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693.785 - 711.148 Peter Van Sant

There's an industrial district, and it's all real canals and stuff, and then Rudy doesn't live so far from there. Talking to Rudy's friends and family... My name's Kathy. I've been here before. They don't want to believe Rudy did it. And at the beginning, they were adamant about Rudy not doing it. And now, I got to tell you, they're not so adamant anymore.

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711.708 - 715.073 Gil Alba

We searched in here, but where was it? I thought it was down here, all the way down.

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715.213 - 716.114 Peter Van Sant

No, we were just on Elm.

716.354 - 720.82 Gil Alba

You think it would have been on that side? But so far... Oh, man, it looks closed, doesn't it?

720.84 - 723.904 Peter Van Sant

Uh-uh. There's nothing definitive. Are they coming back today?

723.985 - 728.772 Unknown

Because of hard work, you get the luck comes in where you get that one call.

729.193 - 736.704 Peter Van Sant

Nick, do you remember how to get there? Until that call comes, Christine's friend Nick, along with Kathy's husband Kevin... Yes, good afternoon.

Chapter 6: What evidence is lacking in Christine's case?

852.799 - 874.446 Peter Van Sant

So I guess they're not going anywhere today. And according to Kathy Kuka, it's not because he's a nice guy. If he sues us, he's going to have to talk. And he doesn't want to talk, so he's not going to sue us. In fact, since his initial statement more than two years ago, Rudy Persaud won't say anything about Christine's disappearance. Not to the police. So now we're

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875.084 - 887.097 Peter Van Sant

We're just gonna hang out all day. And definitely not to Kathy. Oh, my God, they called the frigging cops. But what will he say to us? 48 hours. Rudy, can I ask you a question? That's next.

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895.906 - 904.855 Unknown

Christine always dressed in overalls. She didn't have any use for dresses. I made her a beautiful bonnet and made her put on a dress. She was so unhappy.

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905.071 - 929.728 Peter Van Sant

Since her daughter Christine disappeared... Look at that hair. Just, she had the most beautiful golden auburn hair. All Elaine Bodell has left... Her one favorite day of the year was Halloween. ...are photographs and questions. I don't especially want to know how he killed her, but there is a body. I mean, where is her body? But the man she believes can answer her questions...

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930.012 - 956.498 Peter Van Sant

Rudy Prasad isn't talking. 48 Hours requested an interview with Rudy repeatedly. When he didn't respond... Rudy, can I ask you a question? We went to his house. If you didn't have anything to do with her disappearance, why won't you talk about it? Did you kill her? Rudy, did you kill Christine Kupka? Why won't you talk about it? Why not talk about it, sir? Stay out of my yard.

956.518 - 977.617 Peter Van Sant

I'm asking you one last time. Rudy isn't answering anyone's questions, the police included. I had no idea you could just say, I don't want to talk to you and close the door. So, but you can. Christine's sister, Kathy, is irate. The police can't do more. My sister's gone and her baby, and you're telling me that you can't go talk to Rudy? Wait, that doesn't make sense.

977.717 - 996.638 Peter Van Sant

But since Christine's disappearance, police have said only that Rudy Prasad may be responsible. But as they told Kathy... It's not illegal to be the last person seen with somebody. It's not illegal to have an affair with somebody. All police will say now is that their investigation continues. Hi, I'm...

996.618 - 1014.336 Peter Van Sant

I'm trying to find out if you guys scheduled the public hearing for Miss Unmissing Persons yet? So Kathy is taking her case to the New York City Council, testifying at their hearings about missing persons. These guys that are going to testify today are like the higher-ups, so they don't hear it directly from the people.

1014.616 - 1015.618 Elaine Bodell

Good morning, everybody.

Chapter 7: How did the community respond to the accusations against Rudy?

1045.351 - 1064.49 Peter Van Sant

But I want to start by saying that Inspector Resnick left. And I think that kind of shows you what kind of priority this is. Kathy gives her statement anyway. Christine met Rudy at Baruch. He was her professor. His name's Rudy Persaud. A story she's told hundreds of times before. Christine then became afraid of Rudy because he seemed so desperate for her to end the pregnancy.

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1064.751 - 1068.134 Peter Van Sant

But it never gets any easier. Oh my, I'm sorry.

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1068.214 - 1071.457 Kathy Kupka

I knew I would do this. I'll be okay in a minute.

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1072.498 - 1079.224 Kelly Sutherland

So thank you for caring. And you never know who's gonna be in this situation. Because I certainly never thought that I would be.

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1080.453 - 1124.36 Peter Van Sant

Since we first aired this story last January, New York's cold case squad has taken over what they call this high-level missing persons investigation. For now, her sister can only go on investigating, her mother go on wondering, as Rudy Persaud goes on with his life, refusing to talk about Christine Kupka's disappearance. The people here in Grafton County, New Hampshire are surrounded by beauty.

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But they're haunted by the possibility one of their own has gotten away with murder.

1134.312 - 1151.8 Kelly Sutherland

I want the truth to come out. I always promised Steven that I would never forget him. If he was gonna break my heart, it should have been by the way kids break each other's hearts. It shouldn't have been by the fact that I woke up one day and he's dead.

1151.82 - 1157.893 Peter Van Sant

Kelly Sutherland still cannot accept the fact her high school sweetheart Stephen Dow is dead.

1158.815 - 1171.444 Kelly Sutherland

We were Seniors in high school, we had our entire lives in front of us. We were starting to put those lives together. He was the first guy that I brought home that my father instantly liked and trusted.

Chapter 8: What unresolved questions remain about Christine's fate?

1409.595 - 1416.185 Kelly Sutherland

He started dating almost immediately after this happened, and I was put out by that.

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1417.447 - 1435.598 Peter Van Sant

Was Dick Dow emotionally devastated by what had happened? If he was, he didn't show it. Dick Dow moved away and no one heard much about him until someone came forward 11 years after the accident with a far more sinister story of what really happened that morning.

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1435.618 - 1442.687 Unknown

Everybody who has listened to this story has no doubt that these two were murdered and they were murdered by Richard Dow.

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This woman's accusation next.

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1451.551 - 1467.851 Usam Akkadad

Welcome to Radio Rental. The scariest stories you've ever heard in your life. All told by real people. And off we go. This wasn't a human being that I saw. There's something here in this house. Something out of this world.

1468.352 - 1474.119 Kathy Kupka

There was a woman moving through the hall. I stepped back and I was completely alone.

1474.72 - 1481.068 Usam Akkadad

Radio Rental is available now. Listen for free on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

1485.487 - 1487.39 Unknown

I was completely horrified.

1488.491 - 1510.983 Peter Van Sant

When Janet and Stephen Dow died in a car fire near their New Hampshire home 19 years ago, it was declared an accident. The case was quickly closed. But was it really an accident? Or was it something else? This woman, Karen Safian, claims to know.

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