Steven Sinofsky: AI Doesn't Need New Rules Yet
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How does Steven Sinofsky argue regulators are rushing AI policy?
The whole topic of regulation for me just seems completely backwards because it's starting before we even know what we're regulating. There's no reason why the AI companies should be against open source other than we just don't want our competition to exist and we don't want to bother to compete. We'd rather just compete with each other and not worry about that crazy open source competitor. Truth is, no one knows the future. What those assumptions mean are we should regulate this based on our own personal predictions of the future. But the history of being right about those predictions is pretty limited. And so we should be really careful about that because those are all self-serving.
How should governments regulate AI when the technology is still evolving? Theo Jaffe and Sofia Puccini are joined by Steven Sanofsky to discuss why he believes AI regulation is moving too fast, the case for open source models, and what previous waves of technological innovation can teach us about building policy without stifling progress.
We are live with Steven Sinofsky, amazing tech analyst, author of Hardcore Software, longtime Microsoft leader. And we're so glad to have you back on. Steven, welcome back. Hey there.
Super fun to be here.
Yeah, so much in AI. Like, where do we even start? Well, our goal is to say stuff that we haven't said yet, so let's see if we can do that. We will try. Novel insights time, yeah. Novel insights. So, open source, there's been much discussion of regulation, of open source, Chinese open source models in particular, on both sides of the pond. You know, China has considered export controls, but also Xi Jinping has said we're encouraging open source. And then in America, we've had Scott Besson says we're going to be looking into IP theft. And some people have considered import controls or requiring a license. So there's a lot going on right now. It's very fluid. What are your takes on regulation of open source models?
Well, it just seems... The whole topic of regulation for me just seems like completely backwards because it's starting before we even know what we're regulating. And if you go back in history, one of the best things about the 20th century in America was... was that so much experimentation was happening, so much innovation. And that does have this potential downstream of like, oh gosh, this thing happened that we have to roll back. Like a super famous example was safety in cars and that car companies spent the first 50 years making cars, making cars. And then in the 1960s, it sort of became clear that, wow, we could actually make cars much, much safer. Now, it took 60 years to understand that cars were super dangerous, and it was all that evolution.
And in all fairness, like, it wasn't a design criteria. You know, seatbelts and airbags and these things became a very long process to get them put into the upstream of making cars. And you could go through every... Sorry to mention, there's the antitrust law and the whole reason why, you know, oh my God, you can't be an oil company where you sell gasoline, produce gasoline, and also pull it out of the ground. Or you can't, make movies, have actors and actresses under contract, and own the movie theaters and distribution. And maybe that shouldn't be right. And there are millions of examples. The challenge is the story of regulation is always told as though if they would have gotten in early, they would have prevented this stuff from happening.
And, you know, you look back and you're like, oh my, you know, what if they would have shown up at Henry Ford and said, we need airbags? And Henry Ford is like, OK, we can't figure out how to make engines work. Like, let's let's get that done. And, you know, also these cars go 15 miles an hour and, you know, we're just trying to make them go. And, you know, of course, air travel is like that. Every technology innovation, it took a long time for two things to happen. One, for it to just work at all. And, you know, today we're talking about AI and it can't be that AI is both the most intelligent thing in the world and it generates gibberish, hallucinations, and the answers are wrong and you can't rely on it.
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