Meditation meets neuroscience
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What is the purpose of the Zen retreat and who is attending?
Today we're at Kododji, or Temple of the Ancient Ground, the Sydney Zen Centre's retreat. It sits in a beautiful valley called Gorik's Run, surrounded by high sandstone cliffs and deep wilderness. You're with the All In The Mind podcast. I'm Lynne Malcolm.
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Meditation practitioners, psychologists and neuroscientists have come together for a weekend here to learn from each other about meditation, mindfulness and neuroscience. Dr Britta Biedermann is a cognitive scientist and a long-term meditator.
The idea was to bring long-term meditators together and people who are researching certain parts of cognition but are also interested in meditation and learn from each other's perspectives. So the scientific perspective but also the meditative perspective. Everyone who was interested coming to this weekend shared the one aspect, and that was curiosity, because you need both to pursue a committed meditation practice. It is curiosity and inquiry, and the same drives a scientist. So the idea was to come together and meditators could ask scientists what they would like to have researched. And scientists asked meditators if they would find interesting perhaps to study certain aspects because there's no theory of meditation.
So we would need help there from long-term meditators who have this introspection.
Britta Biedermann initiated this project as part of her research at the ARC Centre of Excellence in Cognition and its Disorders at Macquarie University.
It should feel really good to be earthed here. And it's amazing to sit still.
Here, teacher Maggie Glick leads a breath meditation at the Zen Centre retreat.
So the fundamental... practice in all Buddhist traditions and many other meditation traditions is a breath practice. And people usually begin with breath counting. There are different ways of doing this. But the simplest I think is to breathe in and then on the exhalation count one. Breathe in on the exhalation count two. Breathe in on the exhalation count three. This is not a sequence. It's counting because counting requires minimal thinking. So when I say there's no sequence, I mean that when you count one, there's just one. that you invest yourself completely in that one. You let everything else go.
How do long‑term meditators and scientists collaborate on research questions?
And when you count two, there's just two. And so on. When you get to ten, you start one again. Just come back. So it is really, really, really
simple. Professor Peter Siedelmeier, a neuroscientist from the University of Chemnitz in Germany, was invited to this weekend. He practices meditation himself and is deeply interested in what the scientific research says about the effects of meditation and mindfulness. Nearly 10 years ago, he undertook a large meta-analysis of all the scientific research that's been done on meditation. A summary, if you like. First, he explains that the word meditation has a number of different meanings.
If you look at the name, you might think this is a misnomer, because meditation comes from Latin, and there the verb means thinking deeply in an analytical way, which you might say is more akin to contemplation. Because in many types of meditation, you do not think analytically. You try to avoid that. But if you look at the research literature, there's a huge collection of different kinds of techniques.
Peter Siedelmeier. One of the challenges of meditation research is that there are so many different styles. There are techniques where you simply observe your breath, your body and your mind, which are used in the Buddhist tradition. In yoga, there's pranayama, where you influence your breath and your body. From ancient India, in chakra meditation, you focus on the energy centers of your body. Mantra meditation involves repeating a selected word or mantra in your mind and using it to minimize your concentration. This has been used in the Christian and Muslim contexts and also in the transcendental meditation movement. Peter Siedelmeier has looked at the effectiveness of the different styles.
Basically all types of meditation are effective and the status of research as yet is not sufficient to make really valid statements about differential effects.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the purpose of the Zen retreat and who is attending?
0:04–3:34
2
How do long‑term meditators and scientists collaborate on research questions?
3:34–6:51
3
What are the different meditation styles and their reported effects?
6:51–10:46
4
How does brain imaging reveal changes in meditators’ brains?
10:46–14:33
5
What did the auditory oddball experiment reveal about sound sensitivity?
14:33–17:55
6
How might meditation improve auditory attention for stroke‑related language deficits?
17:55–21:52
7
What are the ethical and spiritual dimensions of mindfulness versus secular practice?
21:52–25:11
8
What are the main conclusions and future directions for meditation research?
25:11–28:11