Trump vs Powell, Solving the Debt Crisis, The $10T AGI Prize, GENIUS Act Becomes Law
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So, Gavin, were you at the Coldplay concert in Boston last night?
Sadly, I missed that. Who were you with? Exactly. I was at home with my wife, but yeah. Wow. How insane.
There's just so many layers to that story. It's impossible to get away from. It'll be 72 hours of memes. Dave... Were you at the Coldplay concert in Boston last night? And if so, were you with Woody, your astronaut friend?
Did you take Woody to the concert? No, Counselor. I was here in Santa Cruz last night.
Oh, you were in Santa Cruz on a business trip?
Okay. The funny thing is, if they had not reacted the way they did, the camera would have just panned away.
Yeah.
Nothing.
Nothing.
No one would have ever known. There is some great irony to the head of people and human resources being in an affair with the CEO, apparently. Allegedly.
Don't jump to conclusions, Jason. No, it could have. He could have been cracking her back, you know, like when you get your back tight. Yes, it could have been a chiropractic. Yeah, chiropractic move. Oh, my God. Let your winners ride. Rain Man, David Sasson.
All right, let's get to work.
It is the slow, slow news weeks of summer, and we are delighted, delighted to have fan favorite, super intelligent bestie, Gavin Baker with us from Atreides. How are you, sir? How's your summer shaping up?
Fantastic. It's been awesome.
Stock market is back. That's good for you because you invest in both public and private companies, yeah?
My firm does. Yes. Yeah.
Gavin, let me ask you a question. How do you price tariffs today? So where do you think this ends up? Obviously, there's a lot of back and forth and, you know, everyone's trying to make a read on what the end game is. What's your market take as you're making investments right now and where we end up on the tariff front?
It is a good question. It's open. We're going to see what happens with sectoral tariffs. I think it's hard. You're doing the winning AI summit. It's going to be hard to win in AI if we put tariffs on semiconductors. But for a lot of what I do for now, tariffs are not super relevant. But for the market, for the economy, they are relevant. But for AI, they're maybe a little less relevant because I think everyone is... is maybe a little more sophisticated about the downsides of tariffs for constructing data centers here in the United States.
And ultimately, don't we look at the tariff situation and say, despite the shock and awe of the opening salvo, it's quite a boring position. Now it just seems to be reciprocity and reasonable reciprocity at that. Yeah, that's how we would sort of categorize the end game here.
I would say for everyone but China. And we've clearly reached some sort of deal with China, rare earths for H20s and Mi308Xs. But it's interesting. And one of the The trade deals that have been finalized is Vietnam, and there's a special carve-out for goods that were trans-shipped from China through Vietnam. So they are clearly focused on China more than almost any other country, rightly or wrongly. But yeah, and I do think there is – there was maybe – three months where Trump said he did not care about the stock market. But now he's back to quoting the market at all-time highs. He clearly cares and is clearly very sensitive to market feedback. So I think that that will be a dampening mechanism on tariff volatility.
But they passed the bill and he immediately went back to tariffs. And we'll see where we land in August. But I just think the most important thing in the market by far is AI kind of overwhelms everything else.
Absolutely. And I guess the other big story with the market, and we'll get into the H20s, David Sachs will be joining us in a moment. So he'll be jumping in halfway through it. But let's start with maybe this soft launch of the firing of Jerome Powell. On Wednesday morning, Bloomberg reported that Trump was likely to fire Powell soon after talking with Republican lawmakers. Shortly after that, the New York Times reported that Trump had actually drafted Powell's termination letter. Market instantly reacted negatively, dropped 1%.
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