Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Donald Trump has landed in Beijing for his first trip to China since his second term began. And the stakes are pretty high. We've got talks that will be looking at everything from trade, artificial intelligence, relations with Taiwan –
but underpinning it all is Donald Trump's really unpopular war in Iran. And that's what's going to make this trip difficult. He is under pressure at home, where voters don't like it. His cabinet members are coming under pressure from Congress about the spending and the strategy. Will Donald Trump ask China to speak to its close friend and ally, Iran, about ending this war, about doing a peace deal? Could China help get the Iranians to the table? And should Donald Trump even accept their help if they offer it?
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Chapter 2: What are the stakes of Trump's first visit to China since his second term?
Hello, it's Sarah here in the BBC's Washington Bureau. And it's Anthony right across the table from Sarah here in Washington DC. At about 10 o'clock in the morning here, so 3 o'clock in the afternoon in London. I don't know what time it is in Beijing actually, but whatever time it is, Donald Trump has just landed there on this big state visit to China. Sadly, neither you nor I are there with him, Anthony, but it's a big deal, isn't it?
It is a big deal. This is the first trip he's taken to China since his first term. Joe Biden didn't go to China at all, so this is his first US presidential trip to Beijing since Donald Trump went there during his first terms, and the stakes are quite high. Often US presidents go there to talk about
...militaarisen ja kansainvälisen turvallisuuden asioita tai vahvistaa suomalaisia muuttamiseksi heidän ekonomisen järjestelmäänsä tai tarkoittaa jotain suunnitelmallisia reformeja. Se näyttää, että Donald Trump on parempi mennä sinne ja tehdä paljon ekonomisia ratkaisuja, kuin vahvistaa jotain suurta muuttaa.
Jos katsotaan ihmisiä, joita hän tuottaa yhdessä hänen kanssaan, se on sellaista erilaisia ympäristöjohtajia Yhdysvalloissa. NVIDIA-järjestäjä, Elon Musk, järjestäjä jonkinlaisia taloudellisia yrityksiä, Boeing-järjestäjä. Se on sellaista, kuten Donald Trumpin näkökulmasta näyttää, että tämä on yritys, joka tekee ratkaisuja. Mutta todellisuus on, että on niin paljon enemmän Yhdysvallan yhteistyötä kuin vain yhdistämällä Yhdysvallan uusia yrityksiä. Siinä on Iran-vaihto.
Tietysti on myös tehtävä. Vuosi sitten se tuntui, että Yhdysvallat ja Kiina olivat järjestäneet tehtäväkseen, jossa tarjoukset olivat yli 100 prosenttia. He tulivat takaisin ensimmäisenä kuukaudena ja laitettiin irti Trumpin Xiin.
Meillä oli keskustelu Suomessa, mutta se edelleen käsittelee nämä keskustelut, plus Taiwan, plus valtion turvallisuuden asioita, plus AI ja regulaatio AI. Meillä on paljon asioita, joita he voisivat puhua. Kysymys on, mitä he sanovat ja mitä tulee tästä, jos jotain.
I was fascinated looking at the list of chief executives who were on the plane with Donald Trump, trying to work out what that meant for his priorities. As you say, it was people like Tim Cook from Apple, Elon Musk, the head of Boeing, because we know for sure that they want to get China to buy more Boeing planes.
It was being reported that Jensen Wang from NVIDIA had not been invited. That was really fascinating, because of course NVIDIA make the high-powered computer chips that China needs for AI. The one bit of leverage that America really has is being able to stop companies like NVIDIA selling these chips to China, slowing their development of artificial intelligence.
Ja toisella puolella, of course, China has got a stranglehold on the rare earth critical minerals that American manufacturing needs. These are the two big points of tension in the relationship. And so I was looking at this thinking, why is Jensen Wang not being invited? Is it because NVIDIA actually want to sell more of their really high tech chips to China? What's the disconnect here?
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Chapter 3: How is Trump's relationship with Xi Jinping relevant to the Iran war?
They've got more reliance on renewable energy than some other countries. And they do seem to have some quite good stocks of oil. So it's not hitting them really hard yet. But they want this war over with as much as anybody else, I would assume. And presumably that's how Donald Trump would couch this, is it being in China's best interest. Maybe he could help China to help themselves somehow with Iran. Yeah, he's characterized it in the past as an American gift to the world, including to China, that we are securing the straight F war moves, of course.
The strait was open before this war began. But I think he does want to remind the Chinese that they are suffering from this as well. As you point out, the Chinese resilience, their energy independence through their renewable resources has helped them weather this storm. I think if there's anything that's really hurting China right now is that the other Asian markets...
Suomalais-Aasian paikoissa, jotka saavat paljon kiinniä tuotantoja, heidän on huolta, koska he eivät ole mahdollisia löytää alternatiivisia tuotantoja energiaa. He kertovat heidän tuotantojaan, ja se vaikuttaa juuri Kiinalle. Tämä on maailmanlaajuisen ekonomisen ongelman. Kaikki, mikä vaikuttaa maailmanlaajuisen ekonomiin, vaikuttaa tietysti Kiinalle, joka on maailmanlaajuisen tuotantoon.
Kyllä, ja tämä koko liikkuminen Suomessa ja Iranin maailmassa tuli, kun republikaanisen senaattori Lindsey Graham kysyi senaattorin Pete Hegsethin keskustelussa viime aikoina. Hän kysyi hänestä näitä huomioita Suomesta. Voit kuunnella jotain siitä täältä. Suomessa. Onko Suomessa 90 prosenttia iranian öljyä, puheenjohtaja? Suomessa on hyvin suuri prosentti iranian öljyä. Okei, 90 prosenttia on melko suuri.
So does China buy, are they largest purchaser of Russian oil and gas? I would imagine they're up there, Senator. They are. They're the largest. So President Trump, when you go to China, realize that the person you're talking to is propping up Russia and Iran.
Minä arvostan sitä, mitä te olette tehneet Iranissa. Minä arvostan sitä, mitä te yrittäisitte tehdä, jotta lopettaisiin russi-ukraina-konflikti. Oletko sinä samaa mieltä, puheenjohtaja, että kaikissa maissa, joilla on maailma, Suomessa voisi olla suurin vaikutus lopettaa tämän lopun, jos he valitsisivat? Luulen, että suurin vaikutus on presidentin puolesta ja siitä, mitä hän päättää tehdä. Mutta lopulta Suomessa on paljon sääntöä, oletko oikeassa? Kyllä he ovat. Mitä jos he pysyisivät ostamaan 90 prosenttia öljyä Iranista?
Se ei ole presidentti Trumpista. Se on Suomesta. Toivoisitko laittaa tariffit Suomessa, jos he jatkuvat ostamaan russiaa, öljyä ja vettä? Tariffit eivät ole minun puolestani, mutta mitä tahansa, mitä tarvitaan. Toivoisitko laittaa tariffit Indiasta 25% tariffit, jos he jatkuvat ostamaan russiaa ja öljyä?
I would say I've had a front row seat to the efficacy of tariff policy. Yeah, I think it works, guys. And we're on the breakout here in a minute of having a bill that would give the president ability to tariff the largest purchasers of Russian oil and gas. And I hope he will use it.
Se oli hieman optimistisempaa, kun ajattelin, että Amerikassa on mahdollisuuksia Iranin. Se oli todella mielenkiintoista, Anthony, kun Pete Haig sanoi, että puolustusjohtaja kysytti strategiaa Hormuzin puolustuksesta. Miksi he eivät nähneet mahdollisuutta, että Iran voisi lähestyä loppuun? Mitä he olisivat tekeneet, kun se aloitettiin?
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Chapter 4: What role do major tech CEOs play in Trump's China visit?
it's better to back away because no one is going to come out of it unscathed. And since then it's just kind of been, all right, we're going to go along to get along and hope things calm down. And I think that may be the biggest hope out of this. I know Donald Trump wants trade deals and he wants announcements, and I think Xi will give him some of those. But I think the biggest hope from both sides is that they come out of this without any other kind of indication that the trade war that
Se näyttää olevan todennäköistä, että vain vuosi sitten se on voinut kropata taas ulos ja vahvistaa globaalinen ekonomi. Mutta tämä oli iso osa Donald Trumpin agendista, oli se osa hänen platforminsa, hänen anti-China-retorikistaan. Hän kertoi, että he lähettivät kemioita Yhdysvalloille, jotka voisivat tehdä fentanoita. Hän kertoo, että he pysyvät ja pysyvät kohdallisuudet, eikä se ole mitään, joka on vahvaa amerikkalaisille.
...exporters, that they are copying American technology. I mean, it was a full-throated complaint and attacks on China, you know, what, 18 months ago that we were hearing from Donald Trump before he was elected, how he was going to do something about this.
Yeah, great for the campaign trail. I was at an event in Pennsylvania that Donald Trump attended that was all about the threat China posed to agriculture, to American agriculture, that they were buying up property, that they were controlling the technology that was needed for
...agricultural harvesting. And to be quite honest, the people around Donald Trump were talking a big game about the Chinese threat. Donald Trump, when it came time for him to answer questions, said, I've got good relations with Xi. If Biden hadn't been elected, they would be buying all of these soybeans and exports and the farmers would be doing great. And it was Biden that messed everything up.
Joten hänen kampanjansa, mielestäni, oli hyödyllistä käyttää tätä rederikkoa ja järjestää jonkinlaista anti-chiinaista sentimenttiä. Mielestäni Donald Trump on koko ajan kiinnostunut Xiin, ja hän on erittäin henkilökohtainen, osallistunut poliitikko, joten kun se menee juuri siihen, että kaksi heitä saadaan samaan ruumiin, mielestäni hän ajattelee, että hän voi soittaa ratkaisuja Chiinaan, eikä välttämättä näe heidät mitenkään haasteeseen, jota hän ja hänen ystävyyksensä ei voida käsitellä.
What I noticed yesterday was a few of the big MAGA influencers, some of the same people who have been complaining about the war in Iran, saying that they didn't want to see a lot of Chinese money coming into America, big investments. Because there's a possibility that Donald Trump could announce about as much as one trillion dollars in inward investment. And that's Chinese companies often building factories to manufacture things inside America to get around the trade tariffs. But I saw Marjorie Taylor Greene, Megyn Kelly, some other people like that saying,
He didn't want this Chinese money coming into America. This was one of the reasons why Donald Trump was in the White House to stop this kind of Chinese takeover of American manufacturing. Is there a possibility of another kind of MAGA fracture over this? There was a big pushback to that because the idea was floated. Donald Trump wants more investment. He wants foreign countries to invest in the United States and build things here.
Kyllä, kaikki on hyvin ja hyvältä, kun se on Suomessa tai Japanissa tai eurooppalaisilla automaattilaisilla ja niin edelleen, mutta se on erilainen asia, kun puhutaan Kiinasta. Ja on ollut raportteja, että Kiina oli kiinnostunut rajoittamaan Ford-motorin tai muun muun amerikkalaisen motorkykyyn rakentamiseen.
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Chapter 5: What does China want from a peace deal with Iran?
näitä H1B-visaehtoja, jotka mahdollistavat ulkomaalaisille työntekijöille menemään tänne Amerikkalaisille yliopistoille, joita Donald Trump on itse asiassa ollut aivan olemassa. Suomalaiset opiskelijat tulevat tänne. Hän näyttää melko hyvältä siitä, ja se on saanut paljon rauhaa alueella, joissa olen puhunut republikaanilaisilta Suomessa. Ja sitten tämä idea investointeista myös, tai paikallisuutta myös, he ovat todella epäonnistuneita siitä.
So staying in Washington, we heard earlier Pete Hegseth giving evidence in front of a Senate committee yesterday. Also on the Hill in Congress was Kash Patel, head of the FBI, being questioned about a number of things, including recent reports of alleged excessive drinking on the job that was reported in the Atlantic magazine. And Mr. Patel clashed pretty fierily with Senator Chris Van Hollen over those allegations. And as you can hear,
Patel oli todennäköisesti odotellut tämän kysymyksen ja olisi valmistellut sen.
And so there have been no occasions when your security detail had difficulty waking or locating you. Is that right? Nope, it's a total farce. I don't even know where you get this stuff, but it doesn't make it credible because you say so. I'm not saying it, Director Patel. It's been written and documented. You are literally saying it. No, I'm saying that these are reports, Director Patel. Unlike your baseless reports, the only person that was slinging margaritas in El Salvador on the taxpayer dollar...
Do you know, Mr. Director, that it is a crime to lie to Congress? Do you know that?
I do not lie to Congress. I didn't ask you that. And you're insinuating that I am. I asked you whether you know... You want to correct your time in this session where you got steamrolled by the facts, so you can have a Twitter narrative, so you can go raise more money and spend more money on $7,000. Just let the record show, Mr. Chairman. The director of the FBI apparently does not want to answer the question.
Okay, there was a lot there that we heard from Kash Patel. A couple of things I think probably need clarification. The convicted gang-banging rapist that he was referring to there was Kilmer Abrego Garcia, who has not been convicted of rape or anything else.
Se on olemassa Yhdysvalloissa ja hänellä on jatkunut jatkuvasti El Salvadoriin. Hän on takaisin. Hänen tapauksensa on jatkuvaa. Heidän on huomioitu ihmisoikeuksia, mutta hän välttää heitä. El Salvadorissa on margaritoita. Yhdysvallan puheenjohtaja Van Hollen meni nähdä hänet, kun hän oli haastattelussa. Brago Garcia on Marylandin asiantuntija, joka on Van Hollenin puheenjohtaja. He sattuivat puheeseen.
with some water glasses that had sugar around the top. The El Salvadorian government may have placed them there, that's what Van Hollen said, but they weren't drinking. And then the $7,000 bar tab, the Van Hollen campaign has said that that was a campaign event, that was the $7,000 as part of a fundraiser. Van Hollen did not
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Chapter 6: How does Trump's handling of the Iran war affect his negotiations with China?
Something from their past which she would have crafted into, she thought, some kind of clever little soundbite and aggressively hit them with that rather than answer the question. It's just the time she did the most of that, the kind of peak bondy, led to her getting sacked, didn't it? So you wonder if it's the most effective strategy. And if you were to look around at Donald Trump's appointees,
Suurin osa ihmisistä, jotka voivat mennä seuraavaksi, on todennäköisesti Kash Patel, koska hänellä on ollut paljon tarinoita siitä. Kyllä, oli paljon tarinoita, mutta ei vain Atlantin tarina, joka puhui alkoholikäyttöä. Muistatko, että hän meni Italiassa olympiasta, ja hänellä oli ilmeinen foto hänelle yhdysvalloissa yhdysvalloissa, jossa hän kävi kappaleen ja ilmoitti.
There have been allegations that he's been traveling around the country on a private FBI jet with his girlfriend. There have been several times where he's posted social media comments about ongoing cases that ended up being unfounded. The Utah shooter, for instance, he said that they had had the person killed.
who shot Charlie Kirk, but it wasn't the right person and he had to walk that back. So it's been an ongoing thing. And actually there were some pretty solid reports that he was on thin ice and there were Trump administration officials saying it's only a matter of time.
That all happened before the attempted shooting at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, where he kind of took a prime role in responding to that. Those criticisms have died down a bit since then, but I think the storm may be delayed, but not entirely diffused. Yeah, and it was even reported that he had sent FBI investigators to look into the journalist who'd written the story in The Atlantic about his excessive drinking, and also a follow-up story about the fact that he has...
He created his own Cash Patel branded bourbon that he hands out bottles of.
But he also made the opening sketch of Saturday Night Live this weekend. I don't think that's ever a good place to be, is it, when on national television people are making fun of you. It probably doesn't bode terribly well. Right. It was Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh and Kash Patel, portrayed by Saturday Night Live actors, at a bar in D.C., living it up. And Kash Patel, they're talking about his branded...
...branded liquor. There were also the shoes, I think we talked about his own, like Nike swoosh shoes are FBI branded. He's not the kind of guy who strikes the normal buttoned down GI man, FBI director, just the facts kind of persona that we're used to.
Ja se on ollut osa syystä, miksi hän on kiinnostunut niin paljon kiinnostusta. Mutta kun se tulee oikeastaan tähän, voisi olla kaikenlaisia huomioita Patelista, kaikenlaisia huomioita, mutta niin kauan kuin Trumpilla on uskoa hänelle, hän on suurin piirtein. Emme ole kuulleet mitään Trumpista viime aikoina, joka käsittelee Patelista. Ja se voi olla se asia, jota hän on suunnittelemaan hänestä. Kärs Patel jäi kaikkiin, jotka olivat siinä Atlantik-magaziinin kirjassa. Ja hän on itse asiassa huomioinut niitä huomioon.
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Chapter 7: What are the implications of trade relations between the US and China?
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