Alison Wood Brooks (on the science of conversation)

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Who is Alison Wood Brooks and what is her expertise?

Dax Shepard 0:00
Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Armchair Expert early and ad-free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert, Experts on Expert. I'm Dan Shepard and I'm joined by Lily Padman. Hi. Today we have Dr. Allison Wood-Brooks. She is a behavioral research scientist and professor at Harvard.
Monica Padman 0:26
At Harvard. That's a very fancy name.
Dax Shepard 0:29
Harvard Business School.
Monica Padman 0:30
That's right. HBS.
Dax Shepard 0:32
HBS. She has a new book out right now called Talk, The Science of Conversation and the Art of Being Ourselves. She is an incredibly good guest.
Monica Padman 0:44
So fun. And I do think we take for granted conversation. We think we're just going to show up and be able to do it. I really, really like this in the context. I mean, in general, but dating, which we talk about a fair amount and why a lot of these are not very successful.
Dax Shepard 1:01
You actually put no time into planning how you're going to converse.
Monica Padman 1:05
There's like real tricks for conversation.
Dax Shepard 1:08
Yeah. And it's not disingenuous to use them.
Monica Padman 1:10
Yeah.
Dax Shepard 1:11
Also, she's an identical twin. Yeah. So we had a lot of fun twin chatter.
Monica Padman 1:15
That part is very cool.
Dax Shepard 1:17
Further imploring us to get a twin expert.
Monica Padman 1:20
Yeah, we really want that. Yeah. She's one of the guests that we have that is a teacher at a fancy school and their class is like so impacted. The most impacted, yes. People really want it.
Dax Shepard 1:29
People on a wait list. Yeah, it's one of these favorite classes.
Monica Padman 1:32
Do you know I often, I have a recurring dream.
Dax Shepard 1:35
Okay.
Monica Padman 1:36
That I am not finished, like everyone's finished work. With their classes, it's the last semester and I forgot to like put my classes in correctly. And now I'm behind and I'm gonna have to take all these extra classes to graduate. And then I'm also looking at the classes and I really want this specific class because it's like the fun class that everyone wants to take. I have this dream a lot.
Dax Shepard 2:07
I have half of that. I don't ever have the class I'm trying to take. Okay. I have the like, what happened? We're mid-semester. Have I gone to any classes? Yeah. There's a final. I wake up on set a lot where I'm directing something I haven't read. Right. I'm like, oh my God. It's ill-prepared anxiety.
Monica Padman 2:26
But her class would be one in my dream.
Dax Shepard 2:30
You should add it. Yeah. You should incorporate it. Yeah. Please enjoy Alison Woodbrooks.
Unknown Speaker 2:37
He's an armchair expert.
Dax Shepard 2:54
Most people who love Diet Coke will acknowledge it does seem to be a bit of an addiction.
Alison Wood Brooks 2:59
Yeah, yeah, because it's a stimulant, right? Yeah. We cut through so many cases of Diet Coke at HBS, at Harvard, because so many of the faculty are ADHD and they're self-medicating. medicating in tiny doses. That makes sense.
Dax Shepard 3:11
Yeah. It's their over-the-counter Ritalin.
Alison Wood Brooks 3:13
Yeah.
Monica Padman 3:14
In addition to their real Ritalin. Although Diet Pepsi's becoming more of a thing. I don't know if you guys heard about the new trend. Say it. There's a song out called Diet Pepsi and Diet Pepsi sales are skyrocketing. Come on. Yeah, it's real. Who sings a song? She's a big...
Dax Shepard 3:29
I want to see a link to the... The data? Yeah.
Monica Padman 3:32
It's real. Some people have converted from Diet Coke to Diet Pepsi. Oh, wow.
Alison Wood Brooks 3:37
I wanted you to say that it was Britney Spears because she had that, like, amazing... I know. Remember the ad back in the day? She was so hot.
Monica Padman 3:43
She was.
Alison Wood Brooks 3:43
She was so gorge. I would love to see a resurgence. Get back in it. Britney Spears with the Diet Pepsi. She's the one bringing it back. That's what I want. Addison Rae. Addison Rae. Kind of a new gen Britney Spears, if we're being real.
Dax Shepard 3:57
I don't know that. Is that the case?
Alison Wood Brooks 3:59
Yeah, it is.
Dax Shepard 3:59
It's funny you say that because you have a reference in the book. You chose an artist and I was like, that's a young artist.
Alison Wood Brooks 4:06
Ariana Grande?
Dax Shepard 4:07
Yes, you talk about her video to describe context.
Alison Wood Brooks 4:11
Yes. Look at you with your memory. Holy moly.
Dax Shepard 4:14
And I was like, wow, you have three children. I don't know your age.
Alison Wood Brooks 4:17
I'm turning 40 next month.
Dax Shepard 4:19
Congratulations.
Alison Wood Brooks 4:20
I am at a major inflection point in my life. You're hitting me at the right time. You're young.

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