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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

Best of Wednesday 2025

24 Dec 2025

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.25 - 22.273 Monica Padman

Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Armchair Expert early and ad-free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm Dan Shepard. I'm joined by Monica Padman. Hi. And today is Best of Wednesday's 2025 edition.

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22.473 - 26.477 Blaise Aguirre

Ooh. He's an armchair expert.

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38.101 - 44.41 Monica Padman

From episode 900 with Scott Payne.

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45.071 - 57.949 Scott Payne

They carried me down. Closed line, who's supposed to be my second closest friend, says, yo, Tex, you got a minute? And I said, yeah. And then he walks me through this door that I'd never been in, even though I've been in that clubhouse I don't know how many times. It's the only door I hadn't been through.

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58.486 - 70.664 Scott Payne

And it leads into a very tight stairwell down into a, if I call it a basement, that's being generous because I couldn't stand up straight. It's more of a crawl space. And I could touch the wall probably on both sides. I see rope.

70.684 - 71.785 Chris Feistl

Oh, no.

72.446 - 92.721 Scott Payne

I see that they have both brandished their pistols. One outlaw follows me, and he stands on the steps with his pistol, and he's watching. And clothesline proceeds to tell me, I need you to—he says— There's a lot of shit going on, and it's my job to take care of my brothers. I need you to take off. Because I want you to write down your full name, date of birth, social security, everything.

93.242 - 95.727 Scott Payne

And I need you to take all your clothes off. I need to check you for a wire.

96.649 - 98.773 Chris Feistl

So now I'm like.

Chapter 2: What are the highlights of Scott Payne's undercover experience?

113.205 - 115.29 Monica Padman

I am the guy. What's my reaction?

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115.35 - 116.272 Scott Payne

Yeah.

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116.292 - 117.515 Monica Padman

Right? You're trying to.

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117.736 - 137.281 Scott Payne

I would love to say yes to that answer, but I was shitting gold. Yeah. I was having an adrenaline dump. I had that panic. It's the fight or flight or freeze. Yeah, midbrain is in charge. And then you are hopefully doing what you've trained or rehearsed in your head, and that's what I did. If I had not seen me do these things on the video, I would have never known I did them.

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137.301 - 149.964 Scott Payne

But just like I can show you cops and military first responders in shootouts, They have no idea how many rounds they shot. They have no idea that they did a magazine exchange behind effective cover. They just do it because they've trained it so much.

149.984 - 150.386 Chris Feistl

It's instinctive.

150.608 - 150.728

Right.

150.877 - 171.157 Scott Payne

So in the undercover world, okay, now I'm down there. I'm trying to write my name down. I'm having that adrenaline dump. In other words, if you've ever been through a traumatic incident, whether it's a car wreck or whatever, everything just slows down, and your auditory exclusion, everything's going whoosh, whoosh. What I'm hearing is like, Scott, I need you. I've even had sight get minimal.

171.297 - 187.416 Scott Payne

That's tunnel vision. It starts closing in. That's tunnel vision. So that happens. You're getting the tunnel vision, and everything's time dilation. It's in clicks. It's like in frames, right? You go click. Click, click. You can hear and feel your heart beating through your entire body. Palms are sweaty. I'm starting an Eminem song here.

Chapter 3: How does Mark Ronson reflect on his unique childhood?

1782.327 - 1786.455 Blaise Aguirre

Right, it doesn't matter. There is no separation from the is-ness of self-hatred.

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1786.435 - 1791.041 Monica Padman

Meaning they're as convicted about that as they would be about their biological sex.

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1791.061 - 1809.787 Blaise Aguirre

Biological identity. And then if I say, okay, you know what? I want to start talking about self-hatred. It's as alienating as if it would be, I want you to start thinking of yourself as this other gender. So like, I know I've got kids. I know who I am. You're not going to convince me out of this. We're wasting time in therapy because I don't want to talk about this.

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1810.108 - 1813.152 Monica Padman

Yeah. So it's very hard to tackle, it sounds like.

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1813.351 - 1821.511 Blaise Aguirre

Well, that was the problem is that, so I thought, okay, so now what I need to do is tackle self-hatred. Why aren't any therapies tackling self-hatred?

1823.496 - 1826.584 Monica Padman

From episode 871 with Mary Claire Haver.

1829.72 - 1850.706 Mary Claire Haver

For decades, when you look at why menopause hormone therapy was developed, it was to treat a hot flash. And forever, the pathognomonic, the poster child symptom was hot flashes or what we call medicine vasomotor symptoms. What was never taught to me ever, and I learned like three years ago, was we have estrogen receptors in every single organ system ever. in this body.

1850.806 - 1873.528 Mary Claire Haver

And what I also was taught is in perimenopause, it's a slow, gentle decline. That's all I learned, one sentence. To decline until full menopause when you lose function. It is a rocking rollercoaster and your worst symptoms tend to be the ones like the mental challenges, the brain fog, the cognitive disorders, the frozen shoulder. All of it is peri and late peri and early menopause.

1873.548 - 1878.373 Monica Padman

That's when you're accelerating your loss of- Bone and muscle. Yeah, and the eggs, right?

Chapter 4: What challenges does Blaise Aguirre face in discussing BPD?

3519.238 - 3542.107 Dax Shepard

You're at your table and there's a judge up there. You're now on the witness stand and you're testifying to what they've done to you and what has happened to you. And this could be something really significant. So I've done this with people with serious sexual violence, murder, people whose family members have been killed. So it can be as big or as small as your life. Yeah.

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3542.127 - 3549.336 Dax Shepard

But let's just stick with yours. So you testify that that has happened and tell us how that has made you feel.

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3549.316 - 3569.09 Chris Feistl

I'm totally disrespected. I pay money to live here, and I feel that this is the basic level of care that and hygiene that should be handled by the landlord quickly. Okay, great. So it's very annoying.

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3569.57 - 3587.369 Dax Shepard

Yeah, yeah. All right, so let's stop with the victim testimony for a minute and let's switch over to, so now you're gonna play the role of the landlord. Okay. Okay, so the landlord was over at that table and now the landlord's walking up to the stand and sitting down.

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3588.11 - 3588.25

Mm-hmm.

3588.23 - 3594.367 Dax Shepard

You're just sitting and watching. Yep. That's you as the victim, but now you are the landlord.

3594.427 - 3594.547 Chris Feistl

Okay.

3594.567 - 3597.175 Dax Shepard

So it's actually you in the witness stand. Okay?

3597.195 - 3597.596 Chris Feistl

Okay.

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