Rebecca Lemov (on brainwashing)
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Who is Rebecca Lemov and what is her connection to brainwashing?
It took a while.
She didn't recognize it.
Yeah.
You're back in California.
Yeah.
How often do you come?
Pretty often, partly my husband's family lives here.
Did you guys meet in college?
We met afterwards, but in Oakland. I was struggling to write my dissertation and he was working at the cafe where I was struggling. Me cute. It really was. There was a mixtape involved.
Yes, and he was heavily tipped during the dot-com bubble, but then it collapsed and then the tips dried up.
Very true. It was a version of Cheers, but with coffee, where people would just come to gather around and chat with him. Fine. Just because he had that kind of air about him, but I was so involved in trying to write that I would sneak by and hide behind the jukebox. You were playing hard to get.
You just had to wait for him to approach you.
It was unlikely we would ever meet, actually.
How did you?
I think I made a comment that I liked the music he was playing. On the jukebox? Maybe it was through the jukebox, yeah. Desmond Decker. And then he offered to make me a mixtape.
Whoa, hold on, that's a huge first swing. Or a tape of this. Oh, okay.
But it was a handmade tape, and then inside he wrote his number, but then he erased it and hoped that I would call him, although it was non-existent.
Oh, that you'd have to look. Or take charcoal and tissue paper.
He's playing a game here. Various detective methods. But instead, somehow we ended up meeting. He was going to give me a photography lesson.
Another great hack. He's throwing all of it at you. If he tells you he's great at foot massage, you're like, okay.
That's actually true. That's lovely. I hadn't really thought about how cliche written that story is.
But that's the nature of love. It is all cliche. And then it feels very special and unique to you. And that's what's so sweet. Yeah, it's really true. So that means you guys have been together for 25 years. Yeah. So embarrassingly, you were graduating from graduate school in the same year I graduated from undergrad. But I imagine I'm older than you. So I think you must have boogied.
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