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After Months Of Lies & Spin (And Defending Criminals) MSM Officially On Naughty List This Year w/ Rob Henderson, Curtis Hoack & Dr. Chloe Carmichael – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 564
13 Dec 2025
Chapter 1: What recent media behavior has put the mainstream media on the naughty list?
Three great guests today that are friends of the show. First up, Chris Houck. He is the managing editor of Newsbusters. And we're going to talk about who's been naughty and who's been nice in the mainstream media. A lot of naughty, a lot of naughty out there. Then Rob Henderson, the author of Troubled, a memoir of foster care, family, and social class.
He is a social psychologist that has an amazing story. He was trained at Yale, but himself came out of the foster system. And then Dr. Chloe Carmichael comes back. She's a clinical psychologist.
Chapter 2: How has the media's narrative changed with the return of Trump?
She's written a book called Can I Say That? Why Free Speech Matters and How to Use It Fearlessly. We're going to talk about mainstream media misbehaving and what we must all do to stand up for our First and Second Amendment rights. Be right back after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this.
He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for f***'s sake. Where the hell do you think I learned that?
Chapter 3: What insights does Rob Henderson provide about social class and personal experiences?
I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want help stopping, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say.
And I believe I said Chris Houck at the beginning. It is Curtis Houck. My brain isn't working that well today. Curtis Houck is on X at Curtis Houck, H-O-U-C-K, and newsbusters.org and mrc.org. Curtis, thank you for being here again. We appreciate it. Tell us, give us an update on who's been naughty and who's been nice. Let me guess, WAPO at the head of the class.
Yeah, WAPO's been at the head of the class, mostly because, well, first of all, because we were expecting more from this year.
Chapter 4: How does Dr. Chloe Carmichael address the impact of media on free speech?
You know, the editorial board has maybe moved a little bit, but there's been a lot of convection from the liberal media about what is Jeff Bezos gonna do now in this Trump presidency? Is he gonna move the paper back to the center? And we really haven't seen that yet.
You know, in the graphic there ahead of the show here was a story that I did earlier a few days ago about the Washington Post kind of painting the National Guard ambush suspect as, you know, a kind of victim of his circumstances about coming to the United States and not being able to find a job. And, you know, one thing led to another. And here he was shooting up a Washington, D.C. metro station.
Um, you know, speaking of the print, New York times is another one that I have here because their story on Sunday, granted it was recently, but I think it was an old time whopper admitting that yes, the Biden border policy was a catastrophe.
Chapter 5: What are the implications of draconian laws on mental health and substance use?
they want to deny reality uh and insist that you know kind of providing structure and order at the border and this is really something we want to get into we don't really want to upset certain base voters in certain constituencies um then once they realized it was actual catastrophe oh well we don't actually want to talk about it we can hope this thing will just go away so for the times to write a story thousands of words long on the sunday paper
well over a year, almost a full year after the Biden presidency ended, is just rank irresponsibility. So we'll start there.
Were they, as they always do, were they biasing in a way that really it was okay or that was compassionate or something to put in some sort of good light?
Yeah, I mean, I think it's just way too late. I think the sudden kind of respect, I think that kind of, you know, is one thing. I think kind of doing, this is a story that they should have done a year ago if this story had come out or more than a year ago. That would have been, okay, this is good journalism.
But you do it then half well years after the fact when people were, you know, I mean, there was footage. Anybody who was there down at the border, a highway overpasses. I mean, the sea of humanity, what was going on there, just, you know, it told the story.
Well, not only that. I mean, I haven't heard anybody. First of all, there's a couple things. A, I will not do print media anymore. It is an insane cesspool. They are disgusting. They do whatever they want, and they will not do an article unless they can make something or somebody look bad. Period. That's their business, it seems like. A, why won't they ever...
retract, apologize, look back on where they got things wrong, it would make a huge difference. That's A. And B, people are forgetting that those convoys that were brought up here had pallets of food and water and hospitals and educational centers. These were NGO-driven movements. They were troop movements that cost millions of dollars. Why aren't they writing about that?
Right. And that there was an incentive structure created by these NGOs to want to secure more government money saying, no, no, we're going to take care of these people. And therefore, the administration who kind of continue to let the border be as it may, because you have all these orgs saying, no, no, no, we're going to take care of these people as they come in.
And it just becomes one gravy train after another of. you know, government corruption.
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Chapter 6: How does self-censorship affect students in academic settings?
And she's attracted all of the right enemies. In my opinion, people were saying, no, no, no, you can't come in and just upset the apple cart free press. Like a website is this, you know, it's a very small staff. I mean, yes, there's questions about, you know, how she managed this many employees.
But I think the structure that she has working hand in glove with a CBS News president, a longtime news executive, to kind of know more of the HR kind of rigmarole where she can kind of more focus on the news gathering operation. You look at anything about the sector, CBS, newscasts, the exception of 60 Minutes,
have been in third place behind abc and nbc for what two decades three decades at least people just still get nostalgic about the days of walter cronkite and you know we're just a lifetime away from that and so since then cbs is a brand particularly after the dan rather incident in 2004 with george w bush and his national guard papers and that thing that kind of forced him out there
CBS has just kind of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic it's always been the next person up but I think Barry Weiss has a chance to you know really turn this around and maybe if it doesn't work okay but if something had to change. You know, the idea of getting rid of some of the folks that were there, I've really been appreciative of that.
She looks like she's going to name Tony DeCoppo, the CBS Evening News anchor. That announcement could be expected tomorrow. They hired away from Fox Business a financial correspondent who now will be named the Saturday morning show anchor. So I think these are some good steps that, you know, the CBS coverage, we've still written about them at Newsbusters and been critical of the coverage.
But where I praise them is you simply have to present that half of the country believes one thing. I think that's what was key during the Jimmy Kimmel suspension. And when they're, you know, at their own network, when Stephen Colbert, they said that will be, uh, brought to his show will be brought to an end next year.
That Tony in particular, and some of their correspondents nearly said that there are a lot of Americans that actually don't watch these shows. A lot of Americans have a problem with these shows. So we have to acknowledge that while there's a lot of people that like them, There are plenty of people, if not more, that say, no, they don't like these shows and what's the point of them?
Well, not only what's the point of them, what is the business model that allows them to make a profit given the expense that they mount? Correct. I'd love to see CBS put together like a nightline type thing or a... Remember, Tom, what was that guy's name? He used to have a late night show on NBC. Tom...
It was Ted Koppel on ABC that did Nightline for the longest time.
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Chapter 7: What role do societal expectations play in shaping young men's identities?
More people need to come to grips with it. I think it's getting better. But the other thing I would say is continue to do what you're doing. I've always said that the internet is a net positive because it allows such a huge diversity of resources in the barrier to entry, the barrier to kind of find out about the world around you has never been lower.
So for all the negatives that you can talk about later in the show, which is Whereas before, if you wanted to know something, you had to go to your public library. Your family had to have the Encyclopedia Britannica. You had to be subscribed to the local newspaper. You had to have tuned in to the newscast at a certain period of time. Now, thanks to YouTube, Rumble, social media, blogs, Substack,
You can consume all kinds of information while at the same time, yes, trying to find out what's true and what's not. It requires a little bit more judgment, news judgment on the part of the consumer and where we can come in, folks that care about the notion of a news business and come in and help folks as a resource and a vehicle.
kind of provide the educational know-how and tools to kind of give you tips. But consuming, and the last thing I'll just say is consuming a wide variety of sources still matters, I think. Knowing different what people are saying. I've talked to you about this. I still subscribe to the Washington Post at home because I need to know what they're saying every day. And I find that valuable too.
And I think the lesson in that this year from the Charlie Kirk assassination was you need to be able to see the common humanity in each other because that has just been missing from so much of our political discourse. I think a lot of Americans say that.
But the fact that you have to have to say it out loud as though that's something that needs to be said is just, we live in a truly bizarre time. But quickly, it's Tom Snyder. Thank you, Brooklyn and Secret Brass, Secret Bass Rigs. Tom Snyder is who I was talking about. Somebody also mentioned Craig Ferguson, who was a brilliant comedian who had a late night show.
That's more in the sort of Fallon-esque type model. But yes, the people are saying they remember Tom Snyder from back then. And so it, Look at those interviews. They still stand the test of time, some of them. What about what's going on with the EU? And I don't know if you really want to get into this.
It's not our business so much, but it feels like it's going to have resonance over here with them attempting to really muscle their censorship. They want to be the final authority in what is and is not true.
Yeah, I saw that news late last week. A huge fine leveled on X claiming that, you know, you guys haven't done enough to really kind of limit disinformation and advertisements and deceptive programming and that kind of thing. It really is concerning. Yes, we can kind of roll our eyes at it and there's definitely a point of how much does this interest us.
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Chapter 8: How can we promote authenticity in a world of self-censorship?
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That's brilliant. And thank you, Drew. Who's Dr. Drew? Where is he? Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew.
If you've been watching our show, I suspect you know Rob Henderson. Rob K. Henderson on X. RobKHenderson.com. In Troubled is the book. A memoir of foster care family and social class. Do get it on Amazon. It is a great read. I've read it twice. And Rob, I appreciate you being here. Very quickly, why don't we discuss your history?
Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thanks, Dr. Drew. Pleasure as always. Well, so very briefly, my book Troubled covers my unusual trajectory into higher education. So I was born into poverty in Los Angeles. My mother suffered from addiction. I never knew my father. Bounced around seven different foster homes all over Los Angeles. Eventually I was adopted by this family.
We settled in this working class town in Northern California called Red Bluff. And from there, I witnessed a lot of family dysfunction, divorce, separation, family tragedies, financial catastrophes. I fled as soon as I could. I was 17. I graduated from high school with a 2.2 GPA. I was a very unfocused student.
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