Episode 5119: No De Escalation No Surrender; Nationalizing The 2026 Election
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What role does election integrity play in political discourse?
But the harmonizing, as you just mentioned, Virgin Burgess and James on the harmonizing with the president on elections being fraudulent or not being fair because suddenly Republicans start losing as ballots are counted, which is, again, how Tim explains how elections work. When you harmonize with the president on that, what you do is you create the circumstances for a vast number of Americans to decide that the election is not fair because they didn't win and they're angry about it. And then you have the conditions for what happened on January 6th. Didn't they learn that lesson?
Well, you're absolutely right. Whether they learned the lesson or not, that's hard to say. But to Tim's point about counting, absolutely. And Mike Johnson knows that. Mike Johnson's comment there is a piece in a larger puzzle. And it's an indication that these words are also combined with action. President Trump may talk about things that sound crazy, but he always has somebody willing to take some action. He may talk about trying to take over Greenland, but there is at least an attempt. And, yes, he was rebuffed. But if you think about Mike Johnson's comment, it is a brick in the wall, just like Steve Bannon saying we're going to have ice at the polling places, just like Tulsi Gabbard going down to Georgia, just like all of these things, the threats against election officials, the rhetoric about voter fraud that doesn't exist.
When you talk about nationalizing elections, especially nationalizing them on a partisan basis, we need Republicans to take over 15 states.
How has the rhetoric around election fraud influenced public perception?
You're not actually trying to promote election integrity. You are affirmatively seeking to undermine election integrity as a predicate to do things that are also unconstitutional.
You're damn right. We're going to have ICE surround the polls come November. We're not going to sit here and allow you to steal the country again. And you can whine and cry and throw your toys out of the pram all you want, but we will never again allow an election to be stolen.
The election wasn't stolen. When you're talking about people who were not supposed to vote in elections, the idea that there's fraud, the number is minuscule. Minuscule. In Georgia, I think it was eight people total that weren't citizens who voted fraudulently, but eight people in Fulton County in the ballots that they just... They just seize. But this this this messaging is pervasive and it's it is preying upon people who want to be convinced that they're being sidelined, that the government is corrupt.
Well, but there's a really important point to make. It's about deterring and depressing the vote. If you instill fear in the voters, if they think they're going to go to the polls and find armed masked agents, they just might not go to the polls.
What actions are being proposed to nationalize elections?
Past agents, by the way, who just killed two Americans.
Oh, I understand that. So so if you if you say, should I vote today or not? Maybe I'd better not go. I think it's a campaign to deter and depress the vote because otherwise they don't think they're going to win the next two elections. And this is a reaction to the fear of not winning. And things got worse today. The Supreme Court is letting the California map go forward. Why is that worse? because there's five seats now in California that can go through. So I'm just saying worse in the sense Republicans are more worried that they won't win the midterms or the presidency.
What can he do, James, other than surrounding ICE around ballot boxes and intimidating at the polls? What can the president do to disrupt?
Well, Article 1, Section 4 gives the power to the states, but it does give Congress a backup role. So the question in terms of what he can do, it really goes to Burgess's answer with regard to the SAVE Act or the new SAVE Act 2.0, which is not just voter ID.
How do fear tactics affect voter turnout in elections?
Should we get Burgess to explain it to us before we go into this? Sure. Sorry for interrupting. Burgess, explain the SAVE Act.
Well, as he was referring to, they're working on an updated version of it.
But the general gist here is to require proof of citizenship before you can vote.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What role does election integrity play in political discourse?
0:00–1:34
2
How has the rhetoric around election fraud influenced public perception?
1:34–2:52
3
What actions are being proposed to nationalize elections?
2:52–3:52
4
How do fear tactics affect voter turnout in elections?
3:52–4:53
5
What is the SAVE Act and how does it propose to change voting laws?
4:53–6:29
6
Why is the impact of illegal immigration on elections a concern?
6:29–7:53
7
What strategies are being discussed to combat election interference?
7:53–9:03
8
How does the upcoming CPAC event relate to the 2026 elections?
9:03–55:09
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