Episode 5523: Cracks In The System; Going After Jack Smith
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What did the President claim about foreign access to U.S. voter data at the start of the episode?
My administration is in the process of notifying the states whose election data was compromised by the People's Republic of China and many others. We will be working closely to mitigate any harm and we're taking swift action to ensure that sensitive voter data is better protected so we can never be bought, we can never be hacked, and we can never watch a stolen election again. Tomorrow, the Secretary of Homeland Security will hold a briefing to outline his department's recent work confirming cyber vulnerabilities in our electronic voting systems.
Jen, I'm not saying this is a senator, I'm saying, or a Democrat or whatever. As an American, I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed that the President of the United States tried to speak to the whole nation with a whole series of falsehoods, accusations, I believe aimed at trying to undermine America's confidence in our system. And probably as a prelude, because if we have a free and fair election in 2026, he and his allies will lose in a dramatic fashion. And this is not the normal back and forth. This is whether, you know, Franklin said, you know, you got a republic if you can keep it. We're going to decide whether we can keep our republic. And if we simply blow this off as another Donald Trump rant, we do that at our own peril.
The last 10 years plus, I've been either chairman or vice chairman of the Intelligence Committee. We have investigated all of these allegations, virtually everything he talked about tonight. We have reviewed in a bipartisan way. And if you take a half sentence, the notion of intelligence is you get thousands of inputs. And then the intelligence community comes together and analyzes and decides what is true and not true. And Donald Trump ignored all of that. And the irony of this is most of the accusations he's making about 2018 and 2020, Donald Trump's appointees were in charge of the intelligence community. Why didn't they find any of this so-called allegations? And then just the plain ignorance and factual misrepresentations.
When he says, oh my gosh, countries get access to our voter files. You know what? You can buy these voter files. There's no need to hack. I buy the Virginia voter files on a regular basis. If you were going to be a statewide candidate, they are open to any entity. And the fact that you accumulate all these voter files, which in many states, if you pay the price of the public information, that somehow leads to manipulation, is so completely false. I just implore my Republican friends, if they've got any sense of dignity about our system, speak up and tell the truth. Because when you make these kind of accusations about China and he ignores conveniently Russia, you know, China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, every election cycle try to influence our elections.
They put out false information. They promote stories. Russia did it on behalf of Trump in 2020. Iran did it against Trump. North Korea just wanted to screw with the whole system. China, there are various accounts of what they wanted to do. They have plenty of potential to try to amplify false narratives. But these documents he's claiming, we've seen them. Talking to people about these, you've been looking at them.
What have you found so far?
I'm talking to current, I'm sorry, excuse me, to former officials and they recognize these documents also. They appear to be legitimate. They're massively redacted. So it's very hard to make any sense of them. What I'm looking at right now on my screen, it says sensitive government agency. That's been like labeled at the time. is not on the original document. It's something that the Trump administration put on it. But the bottom line is they're heavily redacted. And I'm hearing from former officials that this is information that's been out there before. There's one case about reporting in Albany saying that China was creating fake driver's licenses. And the problem is that the source of this information was making up stories about COVID.
And that's why that was sort of withdrawn and not not prosecuted.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What did the President claim about foreign access to U.S. voter data at the start of the episode?
0:00–18:41
2
How did former intelligence leaders and reporters evaluate the authenticity of the declassified documents?
18:41–27:40
3
Why do hosts argue China, Russia, and Iran matter for election security?
27:40–34:02
4
What evidence and examples were cited that alleged foreign actors manipulated voter files?
34:02–54:41
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