Episode 5660: The War With AI

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What are the worst‑case AI scenarios that keep the hosts up at night?

Joe Scarborough 0:00

I wanna better understand what you mean when you say AI could kill us all. What is the worst case scenario or scenarios that keeps you up at night?

Unknown 0:09

Yeah, I think um before discussing specific scenarios it helps to just think of uh building AI as sort of inviting an alien mind onto the planet. You're building a uh human level or or superhuman level mind without understanding what it wants or or thinks or the way it thinks. And I think that intrinsically should be quite scary. And indeed the people who write science fiction have tend to have found it scary when they've written about this in the past.

Anderson Cooper 0:35

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Unknown 0:54

You know, some of these existential risks, some of the challenges we have, and they're all framed in this sort of runaway dystopian science text. So there's a risk of nuclear war, there's a risk of environmental disaster, maybe something specific like climate change, although there are lots of other ones we come up with. There's a risk of um, you know, I don't know, bioweapons. Um, you have all the different sci-fi scenarios. Obviously, um, there are certain types. Types of risks with AI. But I always think that if we're gonna have this frame of talking about existential risks, perhaps we should also talk about the risk of another type of a bad singularity, which I would describe as the uh one-world totalitarian state.

Unknown 1:37

Because I would say the political solution, the default political solution, um people have for um for all these existential risks is one world governance. Now the present day electronic brains are complete morons, but this will not be true in another generation. They will start to think and eventually they will completely outthink their makers. Is this depressing? I don't see why it should be. We superseded the Cromagnon and Neanderthal men and we presume we're an improvement. I think we should regard it as a privilege to be stepping stones to higher things. In terms of uh concrete scenarios. These AIs are already capable of a certain degree of hacking and also a certain degree of uh biological research, of autonomous robot control.

Unknown 2:30

And if you extrapolate into the future they could have strongly superhuman hacking capabilities. Very superhuman abilities to create novel bioweapons. And also abilities to control, say, autonomous drones or or all the robots that are currently being built.

Anderson Cooper 2:44

Do you believe earnestly believe that AI could kill all humans and and what percent chance do you think it is?

Dario Amodei 2:52

So, you know, I I you know it's it's funny. I I agree with Jacob much more than I disagree with him, you know, and and and and it's it's you know, it's it's an interesting resignation because when he left he said, you know, I think anthropic is the most responsible player, right? I think anthropic is the most aware of these issues. He wasn't calling out us, he was calling out the dynamic of the the industry as a whole moving too fast. Now now I I you know I I I think I already said, you know, these sort of unconditional probabilities, you know, I I I you know, I used to kind of talk in that way 'cause it's kind of an easy way to express I think there's some chance that things go wrong, but uh you know, but y uh y you know, but but but it's not it's not all that high.

Dario Amodei 3:40

I suspect.

Unknown 3:41

that organic or biological evolution has about come to its end and we are now at the beginning of inorganic or mechanical evolution which will be thousands of times swifter.

Stephen K. Bannon 3:55

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