Part One: The Pol Pot Episodes: How A Nice, Quiet Kid Murdered His Country
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Who are the hosts and guests discussing Pol Pot?
media oh my goodness gracious Jiminy Christmas welcome back to behind the bastards a podcast where Robert Evans is using the phrase Jiminy Christmas for some goddamn reason we're allowed to curse on this I don't get it I don't get why I did that your Boston accent to you when you did that I don't know what does the Sophie Robert Boston accent sound like Sophie
It's terrible.
That's your Boston accent?
That's Robert's Boston Rob.
You got to put more of like a spit, like some grime on it. It's got to sound like you're screeching it over a bunch of wet rocks.
I just try. Just like the Pilgrims did.
Just like the Pilgrims did, yes, when they landed in Boston.
I just think that's something that only you can do. I don't know what about Jiminy Cricket was like, I want to do Roberts Boston.
Yeah. But we were there. Neither do I. Neither do I. Neither do I. Andrew T!
Andrew, what do you think of Ben Affleck's back tattoo? Oh, Ben Affleck's back tattoo? I think it's actually a pretty pleasant commitment to... It's like the most authentic thing he has going on. Yeah, yeah. Like, he is just a Boston guy.
See, I think he is... I think he's one of our most authentic male celebrities that we've ever had. That doesn't mean, like, I'm not saying he's a good person. He's obviously not. But you can tell in his face that he knows that and hates himself, which is what I love about Ben Affleck.
He's keeping it real. He's keeping it indisputably real.
Yeah. Yeah. When that picture of him like looking at J-Lo's butt and just being having the look on his face like he's just watched fucking Dresden go up in flames is like it's because he's thinking like, obviously, I'm going to cheat on her. Like I'm Ben Affleck. I have no choice in the matter. I simply can't be a scumbag and not be a scumbag.
Besides the beloved tattoo, I personally enjoy the video of Ben Affleck putting Jennifer Lopez in the car and then slamming the door and then realizing the paparazzi caught him. Yeah. Being like...
On Jiminy Christmas.
I have no idea what mood I'm in, but this is how we're starting the podcast.
I had a friend of mine made me rewatch Gone Girl recently.
Oh, he's like playing himself.
I'm just like, oh yeah, Ben Affleck didn't even know they were filming. He was pleasantly surprised to realize he wasn't in trouble for murder at the end of this movie.
Fun. Fun fact about Gone Girl is he had to stop production for multiple days because he was refusing to wear. I think it was like a Yankees hat that they wanted him to wear. But he's like, I'm from Boston. I can't wear it.
Perfect.
Perfect. They ended up like settling on him wearing a Mets hat. And it's like, it's like, come the fuck on. Come the fuck on. Incredible stuff. The murderer clearly was a Yankee fan. Like, what are you doing here? I think that also means he possibly didn't really, he didn't read that movie the same way the rest of us read that movie. No, no. This podcast has literally nothing to do with Boston, the Yankees, Ben Affleck, back tattoos.
Well, you know, we're talking about a guy who you could call the Ben Affleck of Cambodian revolutionaries because this week we're finally doing Pol Pot. That's right, everybody. Oh yeah, Andrew, we brought
We got you on for a big boy.
We're getting in pole position here, baby. Yeah, thank you. Yeah. Well, when we're going for the big guns, Andrew T., you can't do better. Thank you. And this is also, unfortunately, like, we did King Nordam Sahanak, who was the king of Cambodia, and also a massive piece of shit. Had a lot to do with how the Khmer Rouge got in power and why they killed so many fucking people. And he's also a lot less known. Like, I think... Generally, people who have any kind of reasonable education are aware of Pol Pot, whereas like King Sahara, not nearly as well known. So I thought it was important to start with him years ago. I think Pol Pot is really relevant now. I think actually right now might be the most relevant he has been since the horrible crimes against humanity he was committing. Because, at least from a perspective of a podcast that is primarily speaking to listeners in the United States, and it is because the way in which he and his comrades orchestrated the deaths of roughly between a quarter and a third of their country. Something like that.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Who are the hosts and guests discussing Pol Pot?
0:02–4:49
2
Why is Pol Pot called 'The Ben Affleck of Cambodian revolutionaries'?
4:49–10:12
3
What was Pol Pot's real name and early life background?
10:12–25:23
4
How did French colonialism and ethnic tensions shape Cambodia?
25:23–37:56
5
What cultural and historical trauma influenced Khmer society?
37:56–48:44
6
How did Pol Pot's upbringing and education influence his beliefs?
48:44–59:33
7
What role did Theravada Buddhism and strict discipline play in Khmer culture?
59:33–1:10:39
8
How do these historical factors help us understand the Khmer Rouge genocides?
1:10:39–1:17:43
Speakers
16 identified
Robert Evans 53 min
Andrew T 7 min
Soledad O'Brien 3 min
Narrator 2 min
Criminalia Podcast Hosts (Holly Fry and Maria Tremarcki) 2 min
Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection) 2 min
The Knife Podcast Host 1 min
Psychology Podcast Host 1 min
Jay Shetty 1 min
Michelle Obama 1 min
Unnamed Guest 2
The Knife Podcast Guest
Craig Obama
Psychology Podcast Guest
Bone Valley Interviewee 1
Bone Valley Interviewee 2