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Behind the Bastards

Part Two: Robert Maxwell: How Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad Ruined Science

Thu, 08 May 2025

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Robert Maxwell makes a full heel turn in this episode, going from badass killer of the SS to not so badass corporate ghoul who murdered science and also spied for Israel and the UK.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Chapter 1: How did Robert Maxwell transition from war hero to corporate figure?

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So you're literally walking up to guys and saying, hey, what you do seems new, you should have a journal. And suddenly every college in the western world subscribes. Immediate profits. Ein wirklich guter Magazin arbeitet auf einem Profitverlust von 10-15%. Und das ist ein Magazin, das sehr gut funktioniert. Seine Profitverluste auf diesen Journalen sind über 50%. Wow.

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Es ist verrückt, wie viel Geld sie davon machen. Sprechend von verrückten Geld. Hilf uns, das zu bekommen. So können wir uns zu wissenschaftlichen Journalen abonnieren. No, we use Sci-Hub. Everyone use Sci-Hub. Fuck these people. Fuck scientific publishing as an industry. Steal it. Not legal advice.

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2198.937 - 2216.472 Soledad O'Brien

I'm Soledad O'Brien, and on my podcast, Murder on the Towpath, I'm taking you back to the 1960s. Mary Pinchot Meyer was a painter who lived in Georgetown in Washington, D.C. Every day she took a daily walk along the towpath near the E&O Canal.

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So when she was killed in a wealthy neighborhood... She had been shot twice in the head and in the back behind the heart.

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2225.8 - 2252.808 Soledad O'Brien

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John F. Kennedy.

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I found out I was related to the guy that I was dating.

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I don't feel emotions correctly. I am talking to a felon right now and I cannot decide if I like him or not.

Chapter 2: What role did Robert Maxwell play in post-war Germany?

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His wealth gives him instant access to the Prime Minister, Yitzhak Schmir, and he announces his intention, I'm going to put a quarter of a billion dollars into Israel, and he normally lies when he says stuff like this, but he does this. And he uses his profits from the mirror in order to do this. And I'm going to quote from his biography. And boy is he useful to the Mossad. In 1986...

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Also gibt es einen Wissenschaftler, einen israelischen Wissenschaftler, Mordecai Venunu, der Teil des israelischen Nuklearprogramms ist, aber Israel erkennt trotzdem nicht, dass sie Nukes haben, richtig? Wir wissen sie, jeder weiß, aber es ist wie... Sie erkennt nicht, dass sie sie jetzt haben? I still don't believe they've officially acknowledged their nuclear capacity.

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I should actually double check on that. I know it took a long time. But they have not at this point, right? It is not officially stated. It's just kind of a thing everyone knows. And Mordecai goes to the British press with inside info about Israel's nuclear program. And one of the papers he goes to is the Mirror. And so he leaks...

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zu Maxwells Papier und Maxwell gibt ihn auf den Mossad und er wird für 18 Jahre verhaftet. Was in Journalismus-Terminen schlecht ist.

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Ja, jemanden auf einen Außenintelligenz-Service zu geben und dann wird er verhaftet? Ja, wirklich schlecht. Ja, meistens versuchen sie das nicht zu tun.

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Ja, schlechtes Publisher-Movement. Hey, Robert hier. Und ich wollte nur aufmerksam machen, dass die Geschichte von Mordecai Vanunu viel komplizierter ist als nur Robert Maxwell oder The Mirror. The Mirror ist nicht die erste Publikation, die er verlinkt hat. Ich glaube, er ging erst nach The Sunday Times. Aber Robert Maxwell ist involviert. Es ist ein bisschen unklar.

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Es scheint, dass es eine Situation war, wo mehr als eine Person zu den Mossad ging, über das, was er sagte. Aber ja, Maxwell war definitiv involviert, als jemand anderes die Geschichte an die Sunday Mirror verkaufte. Und er ging zu den Mossad über es. Anyway, Mordecai is a very interesting guy, obviously a very courageous guy. The story is really worth looking into.

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I also did want to note, because we had a question about this earlier, Israel still does not officially admit that they have nuclear weapons, although they're believed to have somewhere between like 1 and 400 warheads. Es ist, dass ihre offizielle Verteidigungstrategie ist, weder zu bestätigen noch zu negieren, dass sie das tun.

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Es wurde in den letzten 70er Jahren klar, dass sie das tun, aber das ist nicht etwas, das offiziell verabschiedet wird. Also, ich wollte nur diese Verkürzung hinzufügen. Now, there are allegations, unfortunately, because he's involved in the Mossad, and he definitely is, there's also insane allegations, right?

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