What if grief isn’t something you heal from…but something that teaches you how to love differently?Marc sits down with medium and spiritual guide Michelle Murphy to explore grief not as a problem to solve, but as an experience that reshapes identity, presence, and love itself.Michelle shares what she’s learned from over 20 years of guiding people through loss—why grief lives in the body, why time doesn’t “fix” it, and how moments of joy after loss often arrive wrapped in guilt. Together, they unpack the difference between missing someone and missing their presence, the danger of spiritual bypassing, and how love continues even when form disappears.Show Partners:Get your MENTAL FITNESS BLUEPRINT here! A special thanks to our mental fitness + sweat partner Sip SaunasPersonal Socrates: Better Question, Better LifeConnect with Marc: https://konect.to/marcchampagneTimestamps:00:00 — The question that opens every interview: “Who are you?”02:00 — Being a medium: why it’s not something you can turn off04:30 — Grief as an embodied experience (lungs, breath, nervous system)07:15 — Why grief isn’t linear—and never really ends10:30 — The isolation of grief and the healing power of being seen13:45 — The four-year cycle: anniversaries, acceptance, and new reality17:20 — “Grief is the price we pay for love”20:10 — Why joy after loss often brings guilt23:40 — Missing someone vs. missing their presence27:00 — Spiritual bypassing and toxic positivity in grief30:15 — What actually helps people who are grieving34:50 — Love as continuity, not absence38:30 — Final reflections on patience, presence, and living forward*Special props 👇Music: Clouds - Joakim KarudSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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