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Betrayal: Season 4

S4: EP 2 — Cat and Mouse

Thu, 29 May 2025

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The Kern family discovers what Joel was really doing on the clock. The investigation into his misconduct only scratches the surface.   If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal Team, email us at [email protected] and follow us on Instagram at @betrayalpod. To access our newsletter and additional content and to connect with the Betrayal community, join our Substack at betrayal.substack.com.  You can listen new episodes of Betrayal Season 4 completely ad-free and 1 week early with an iHeart True Crime+ subscription, available exclusively on Apple Podcasts.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What was Joel Kern's misconduct?

2990.976 - 3007.786 Andrea Gunning

Nicole grabbed Joel's computer and started looking through it, logging onto various websites and reading his emails and text messages. They were there for the truth. All those long nights on duty, what else had Joel been up to? How far did his misconduct go?

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Suddenly, through our daughter's forensic reveal of his computer, the number of people he had sex with just started growing dramatically.

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3021.471 - 3037.578 Andrea Gunning

Nicole dialed in her older brother. She wanted him to hear everything. So it became the next family meeting. And then Nicole started recording on her phone. She wanted documentation. She and her mom were running on adrenaline.

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Cat and mouse, cat and mouse, cat and mouse. You just have to keep being caught. Why can't you just spell it all out?

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Because I can't remember everything.

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Because you had so many people. How many people did you talk to? 50? 100? What's the range?

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50 sounds good.

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How many times did you actually physically meet someone?

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This is where I'm telling you, like, around 7 to 10.

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