Aubrey O'Day
Appearances
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
The Diddy Trial: Third Week of Testimony Resumes
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
The Diddy Trial: Third Week of Testimony Resumes
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
The Diddy Trial: Third Week of Testimony Resumes
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
The Diddy Trial: Third Week of Testimony Resumes
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
But because I called my mom, who's a lawyer, right afterward, I said, Mom, she told me, you know, don't, you need to make a record of this. And so you need to have somebody come there now and take a record of exactly what happens. But don't don't press any charges, obviously, don't take anything into a place that could be hurtful toward people, this can be a private matter. And then she also said,
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
I was like, but everyone's telling me to suck it up and that's just how things go. And I was saying like, you know, I'm being looked at like I'm being like a Karen. You know, we didn't have that word back then, but like a whiny white woman. And my mom was like, Aubrey, this isn't about color. This isn't about emotion. This is about love. you are in a workplace.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
You can't normalize someone punching you because you don't agree on something.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
What is she going to do the next time you don't agree? She already sees that she can punch you. What is she going to do next? You can't normalize that behavior in a workplace. I'm like, well, I'm not in a workplace, mom. I'm in the studio making music. This is my life. And she's like, that's your work. That's your job. You don't normalize being attacked at your job.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
If that happened in any other workplace, that would not be okay.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
You know, I know it sounds ridiculous. But it sounds like a story that we need to hear. We were all coming back and reuniting for, I believe it was the first time since Danity Kane had been destroyed in front of the world by Puff on making the band. When we came back, we all made each other a promise that we would focus on this.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
As I had just released a solo project, I wanted to release music videos, etc. But we all said, if I go and do that and other people go and do their thing, we're not showing the community that we're connected to. And that was what was kind of pinned on us, like we couldn't get it together at the end of making the band. So we wanted to show solidarity. We all agreed on that.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Unfortunately, through a series of events, we found out that Dawn was shooting her own solo videos and doing her own solo things while we had just worked so hard on a group thing. which was frustrating for me on multiple levels. I had my own project that I sacrificed. I had people living under my house on my water, my gas.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
I was the one driving her and others around because they don't have cars and everybody needed to save money. I was the storage for all of the merch, et cetera. A lot of time and investment went into these projects. And for me, my bandmate was concerned when we found out that a whole series of lies and inconsistencies were once again occurring with this girl.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
We went in a studio and sat down to discuss it. And she was getting more and more angry. We started to see a side of her we had never seen. When she made a comment like, y'all better watch yourselves, this, that, and the other. I'm not the one. And I turned around. She was behind me. And I said, respectfully, Dawn, I'm not the one either.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
And then I went back forward and said, like, listen, we need to be able to establish some type of work. And we were talking with our producing partners. So there was no lead, right? So no one could really get control of the situation. We all had to work through it. So before I knew it, she punched me. I flew into the headboard. I ran outside. My bandmate witnessed her.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
screaming up and down the halls puffing her chest up aside of her we had never known and and and it was shocking I think she almost looked shocked to me that she let it out because we had never she was so soft-spoken she was innocent she would didn't talk dirty sexually she didn't even seem to have experiences like like she just was a whole different person and That she taught us who she was.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
It was a whole different person the first time around. So, you know, now looking at all of this and understanding things that I know that occurred with her, according to people that were there and witnessed it again, we have to see what she can prove and what. where the consistencies are in her story. But maybe she learned some of that behavior during her time in Dirty Money. I don't know.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
There was a lot of bitches and hoes. Diddy loved using those words. There was your mama's a hoe. I mean, she does not know my mother. Like, there was a lot of you, your mom, a hoe, bitch, this, that, and the other back and forth. And I was outside like getting counsel. And so I made sure that we took a record of what occurred that day with authorities.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
And then we didn't return and allow anybody to talk us into it. She went later on, went and said, it's because of vocals. And we wanted our vocals over hers. And, you know, basically implied as she had told us before, she's a real singer, and me and Shannon weren't, basically.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
What you saw yesterday were three people that were utilized to confirm and bring more of driving home the force and coercion part in regards to the sex trafficking, basically to validate claims that Cassie made. Some of the people on the stand have their own civil cases. Some don't. There was my ex-bandmate, Dawn Richard, took this stand.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
But when you ask that specific question, yes, I wrote her after I received an affidavit that I can't talk about that we've discussed that I'm very concerned over. I called her or texted her, and then her assistant called right back, said her dad was in the hospital. He also ended the call saying when she gets off her flight, I'll let you know. But...
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
in this specific regard, I wrote her and I said, I told the assistant, listen, something scary is happening. This is way bigger than any like Danity Kane reunion. I'm not calling to get the band back together. I'm not calling for business opportunities, which is probably why I didn't get a call back.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
I said, I'm calling because something scary is happening and people are telling me I can't trust Dawn and that she was doing things with Diddy and that she's working with them or whatever I was hearing. And I said, I need to know and believe that when it comes down to scary things, that we were all sisters and that we would all protect each other. And if I'm right, she will call me back.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
And if I'm wrong, then I won't hear from her and so be it. I'll make peace with it. And I never heard from her. How long ago was that? I don't know when she dropped her lawsuit, but it was like maybe a few weeks prior to that.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
I'd have to look when she dropped her line. It was in recent times.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Yeah.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
We stopped. Her and I did a side project together after we went on tour. Like, even after she hit me, we had a whole other three other tours after that when we reconvened. I mean, I forgave a lot. Wow. I forgave a lot, too much. My back is broken for how much I bent. Wow.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
And protected it because, and even I feel uncomfortable a bit, but I trust you guys and I trust this process, but I feel uncomfortable a bit even saying this because what it does is it's dismantling our legacy. What Diddy has now- The group's legacy.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Yeah. And also like what everything that Diddy has done and is now being, now the world is seeing is dismantling our legacy. All of it is a dismantling of a legacy that I'm so proud of that it makes me physically sick. It's why a few of my band members don't want to go near any of this because they are sick that we are dismantling a legacy.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
I believe during her testimony, they were able to establish one story seven different ways or something along those lines. With Carrie, I don't believe they were able to poke any holes in her recollection of what she witnessed. Carrie Morgan, who was Cassie's best friend.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
But if the legacy is going to be dismantled, I do feel that we need to have a bit more of a consistent player from my group speaking.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
At the very beginning of my career, so that's how you learn, and in a very informative age.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
the very crucial age where you understand who you are is when all this happened it it completely changes your life you're not the same i've been crawling up from under it for 20 years i don't even know who i am half the time i just know that when i'm gonna i could wake up to any headline at any time at any day and everyone could have turned on me it's happened about 70 million times so far
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
And knowing that what I've learned to keep consistent is my integrity and the way that I advocate for things. Those are the two things that guide me in my life. Everything else, the way I look, whether I dress crazy or not, whether I'm fatter or skinnier, whether my lips are injected or not, all of that is and how much it's criticized is neither here nor there for me.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
As long as my credibility and my consistency, my integrity is aligned with what I know to be true. And that's why I'm always... leaving room for Don and Puff to potentially, for potentially there to be more to the story or for there to be something good there.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
The cross-examination wasn't able to really discredit any of her testimony that I read. She established that Combs was not intoxicated or high when he got physically violent with Ventura on two occasions and when he sent her money and she signed an NDA. So that's establishing an organization that silences people. That's establishing knowledge of silencing people. That's establishing violence.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
That's establishing no drugs because it's likely that his team is going to be very, very hell bent on establishing. This is a man that was a drug addict. He's had to go to rehab. It got so bad. Did he did his whole speech likely on purpose at some BET Awards honor that he got where he said, thanks. These four people for holding me down during the dark times.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Cassie was the last name mentioned, and it's a very palpable speech if you go back and watch it now, knowing all that we know. And you really should pay attention to all the names he said, because mm-mm-mm. What were the names?
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Best friend at the time, and not anymore, which also allows us to understand that this isn't somebody that's going to side with her nowadays. It's somebody that was an old friend. has come back and testified to him being violent, assaulting her, and actually even being violent toward her as well. And then they had David James, who's a former assistant to Combs.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
T.D. Jakes. And then Cassie Ventura for holding him down during the dark days. And Lorianne for keeping him free. And T.D. Jakes, I don't remember what he said about that, ma'am.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Very, very strong witness. very strong witness to establish, one, I think she established a little bit of kind of how my experience is, is not in with the details, but you can get away from it if you want to. I didn't go, I didn't stay.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
And James was basically starting a little bit to establish for me now this organization of people. Because within Cassie, they did show that she was an employee. An employee that was there to make 10 albums, and she continued to get paid for those 10
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
10 albums as an artist, but she made it very clear early on that she stopped being an artist and she was a full-time sex worker and that the sex work became so horrific that she then had to recover and it would eat up her entire week. So it became her, as she said, full-time job. So that's paying somebody that was doing sex work.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Now we have another person that works for Diddy that was there to, I forget exactly how he said it, operate as the chairman to his company in order to make sure that he's able to handle his days well. He was an assistant. Yeah, an assistant, basically. But the way in which he worded it was funny to me. But basically, he attested that everything was controlled by Diddy. It was his kingdom.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Everyone had to abide by his rules. And he had conversations with Cassie that established that she felt that she couldn't get out of
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Two people were helping corroborate bits of it. But again, when I hear things like, you know, Cassie felt that he controlled everything and that she didn't have a way out. She couldn't get out. Those are all her feelings about what she believed at that time. Yet they also established over and over again that they told her to get out and she said she didn't want to. She said everything was okay.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
So I just don't know if we're getting close enough to force. I've heard from inside the courtroom that Dawn was very inconsistent and not credible, unfortunately.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
As in her character? Just your relationship, the two of you. Dawn was my bandmate, and she's an incredibly talented woman. Were you friends? I thought we were, yeah. You know, you have to remember, I was the only child, and I was the youngest one in the group when everyone wasn't lying about their ages. So with that being said, I thought everybody in the group were my real sisters.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
I thought we were going to have each other's back till the end of time. That's not what has occurred. I am close with every girl in my group except for Dawn.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
There were moments that I had with Don that I felt were genuine. I learned otherwise that they weren't.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Oh God, a multitude of things. Consistent patterns of inconsistency, consistent patterns of truly just not understanding who was standing in front of me. My other bandmate and I went on tour with her long after Dirty Money, which is how I knew a lot about what occurred during Dirty Money because she would openly discuss things that she saw happening to Cassie. Wow.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Never told us anything happened to her. And then and we were given a lot of detail. But I my bandmate and I would always kind of come back to each other when she'd walk away and be like, there were just so many inconsistencies. We just don't even know what happened in front of us. So what you saw, it was obvious to more people than just me.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
And the outfit going into court that I first saw at the start of the morning was a bit of a tell for me. What I know being the daughter of a lawyer is there are so many hands that are put on you in regards to just visuals in a courtroom. We discussed having your children in there. We discussed gray hair, a pregnant belly. All these things are affecting the jury.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
So is a three-piece suit with diamonds on a collar. It's certainly a choice. And then when you got into her testimony, it seems like she was inconsistent and not credible as what's being reported.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
She did not suggest that she ever did when asked. long after Dirty Money.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Absolutely not. I saw many things that were showing me a complete opposite narrative. So when I saw it, I was shocked. And then when I started to speak to my other colleagues from making the band, I began to learn who my bandmate was.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Assault, but the assault that she alleges in her lawsuit is that during a fitting, he touched her inappropriately in areas. And all the other things that she alleges in her lawsuit are things that happened on making the band. We had to stay up for days at a time. We weren't eating, we were losing weight. I mean, all of those things were kind of like televised to the world.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
We weren't included or ever aware that there was going to be a lawsuit over those type of allegations. I mean, we're even being sued in her lawsuit. Our corporation that she is a part of, November 15, she has named in her lawsuit. And that doesn't even exist anymore. The corporation was shut down long ago.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
So I don't know if it's laziness on the lawyer's behalf or what, but it's certainly a choice.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
You know, I'm very sensitive about people being victims. And just because I personally have experienced her to be, I honestly don't know who she is. And I spent a lot of time around her.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
assume that if she's saying she's a victim, I need to give her the benefit of the doubt and hear what she has to say about being a victim.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. When she filed her lawsuit, the sons of Diddy took to the Internet and posted a bunch of, like, Diddy had time to respond to Don's claims. He didn't necessarily respond to all the civil suits. There were many. His response to her was very strong. And the sons also took to their social media to respond about her.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
They hadn't done that with all the civil cases filed prior to.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
um and what they did within these posts is a slide of all the text messages of her begging to come back and be part of the making the band reboot that they were great she wants her family back there were all these things and what i noticed within those text messages and when i put all of the pieces together is we were on tour with her when she was begging to go back and film that
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
she was not she never told us when she went and did that she never told us she was going to do that shannon and i were just doing a show alone and she just was off filming the reboot and we didn't know until we fans had written us and put it on the internet like why aren't you guys there and
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Other than that, we were sleeping and eating in the same place and in the same van and back in the same hotel and back on stage with each other every single day. We had no idea. And then when it dropped in the media, she just was like, oh, yo, I'm bringing opportunities to us. which is very much her style. And I hate that that's the second witness in because Cassie was so bombshell every day.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
And she did present herself in a very fair way in regards to the day she participated and the day she didn't. She established a force. She established coercion. She established, you know, the good and the bad. It seems like Don didn't do such a good job of having a strong, a consistent memory of what she feels she witnessed.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
And then did you see what happened on the stand? She couldn't recall if they saw it. It's another inconsistency that they were able to point out very quickly. And also, I think adding all of those names to a lawsuit, in my opinion, if I'm an attorney, I don't need to give the public a tell-all book. I didn't even love all the details about Cassie.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
That's great to help Cassie's case, but what in here is helping your case? So for me, when I see tell-all books happening in lawsuits, it makes me question what I'm looking at. And I saw a lot of tell-all booking going on in that specific case. And in regards to naming those people, yes, I did see them around.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
But because she says they all saw something and now she says she doesn't know if they saw something, that's problematic. And bringing their names in is very problematic because if they didn't see it and they aren't doing things like that, putting their name in the middle of this storm is very destructive for careers, for families.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
I mean, I know Neo is very open in life about, you know, his family. behind the door, his polyamorous relationships. He's got pretty baby. He's got twin flame. He's got Phoenix feather and sexy little something.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
I mean, maybe I, yes, I think, I think come if you're polyamorous and everybody's consenting, I think the first thing, and you're a celebrity, the first thing you should probably do is run and tell somebody in the media because you don't want it to be told any other way.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Yeah. And by the way, I know all of this street. I am familiar with all kinds of things that I that have even been confirmed by sources there. But I wasn't there. And I would be absolutely reckless to come up here and sit with you guys and list off all the things that I've heard about any of these people.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
Unless you actually understand what you're saying and you're consistent with it, it's not for public consumption because you can damage people's lives.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Dawn Richard Takes the Stand
When Don punched me in the back of the head, I called 911. That's what you do when you're in your workplace and you're assaulted by your work. colleague, there was nothing that is deserved of in any work environment. And I didn't even realize that because everything is so personal.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Sources say…
I need to understand the facts before I make a call on an entire man's life. life. The whole internet has already made a call on it. They're slipping around in baby oil and laughing.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Sources say…
We should start naming these people publicly.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Sources say…
Yeah. You know, I feel so sad that so many people depend on a headline for their world news. I feel so sad that so many people who don't have law degrees and follow three accounts that are legal accounts on Twitter somehow believe that they are lawyers. I find it so sad that people don't understand their own identity so much that they have to take on the ones that are being handed out to them.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Sources say…
It's a sad state that we are in as a culture, and it's an even sadder state for somebody who is on trial and will lose their entire life. It's even sadder for people that are taking the stand that are victims. The way that we distribute news, the way that we write headlines, I mean, the fact that there is a term that exists named clickbait. It becomes a defining factor of our reputations.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Sources say…
All three of us in this room have experienced that. You lose your job over that. If they understood the weight of what that was or ever had to receive one of those headlines, they would vomit. Yet they are so excited to internalize it and allow it to become their identity when they haven't. Grace needs to be given in regards to these headlines.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Sources say…
And finally, 20 years later, instead of getting blacklisted, And having all kinds of things behind the scenes fail. I mean, I have labels that would call me in, ask me to dance and sing on the spot in front of roomfuls of people. One guy who's a very big person in this industry had me dance for about 15 minutes to like four different songs. I didn't even understand how that would be possible.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Sources say…
The term clickbait isn't in the definition of fucking whatever to not be understood by the masses. All of these things are clickbait, and frankly, it's defamation. We should just call it what it is. It's defamation.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Sources say…
When I was very young, a lawyer said to me, you're going to have a hard time with defamation. That's why I was so into the Johnny Depp trial because those were two celebrities, and defamation was being— claimed on both sides. And I thought to myself, I never thought I'd see the day where defamation would be existing in the celebrity world.
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I need to tune in and watch all of this because this could maybe affect the journey of my life being that I'm a celebrity and defamation has occurred from the very beginning. Defamation for me used to be editors that worked at MTV. And then the network who continued on with it, the producers, things like that. It still is. It's gotten even worse, frankly.
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But now it's just rolled on down to just street level journalists, even credible journalists. I don't know very, very many places that I go to and look for news at anymore because I just don't trust any of it. And unfortunately, the sources that are honest don't have a full reach over most of society. They have a select audience.
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Respectfully, you haven't seen the bangs. There were a lot. It was a choice.
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I don't have the luxury right now of Tending to myself.
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I'm in Advocate mode and the only way that I can get out of this world Let's say over the weekend was to go do the AIDS walk to advocate for a whole other group of people and learn about the laws and learn about what's stunting Disclosure and things that are very important in that world and advocate over there for a little bit where I'm not personally connected and so I can
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fulfill my purpose, but get away from this hellhole, dumpster fire that we're in. We're as in the people that lived and breathed in this ditty world.
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considered an audition to get a record deal but i was basically being humiliated then he goes outside to take a call and comes back in and is like yeah i just got the call puff doesn't want anyone touching you Like I was not, nobody knows that. I mean, I was being humiliated and at home crying left and right.
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Sadly, no. Because this is a systematic issue. It's still very much alive and well in a whole lot of places. Because we discussed what journalists do today on this podcast is not going to change a thing. The next time you two step out and do anything and anyone wants to target you, they will successfully. The next time someone wants to target me, they will successfully.
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They'll probably do it even more since we've challenged them a little bit. That's what I've learned in my career. All I do is challenge these people and all I do is get blacklisted some more. I don't ever see the system responding with accountability. It's so important to just be accountable. Nobody is wrong or right. Nobody is to blame. Nobody has to feel pressure to point fingers.
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Sometimes a problem is just a problem on many sides, many angles. When I walk into situations where I don't see accountability, I fear them. It's just such an important piece for the people that wrote nasty things. I even told one of them that I went back and forth with on DMs when I had some time. I said, you know, I don't need your apology.
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Go listen to the podcast and go make all your friends listen to it and correct your karma. So that's how I feel. Hold yourself accountable. Saying sorry to me does nothing for me. You already came and shit on me before you even asked. The only thing that you could do to make up for bringing nasty, ugly energy my way is to put some positive energy my way.
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And positive energy right now needs to be going toward this platform because this platform is a real space where the truth can exist without headlines taking over that aren't true. Well said.
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Like I've lost all of my music career and they were on television calling me a whore and promiscuous and all the, I mean, for all the words that he used when he fired me. I didn't know then what I know now is that they needed to take my fan base and shift it over to Dirty Money. And I was the fan favorite. And so they had to destruct the way that they know how to destruct.
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and he utilized his tools which we'll all learn who the tools was were throughout this trial but but for me 20 years later i now have finally have everybody reporting aubrey told us so i mean it was literally a headline on like rolling stone like a credible outlet and and they say you know aubrey told you so and i did and i felt so empowered to get that voice back now like i told you guys when we first started this i had to shed the layers that needed to hear that part
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So it didn't hit me the way I wish it could have hit the parts that are now gone. But to now open my eyes and getting the type of hate, and it's not even just hater. I never really cared about women. I never really cared to protect DV survivors. I wanted to just talk all this shit to be famous instead of,
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actually fight for justice, that I'm not I did have decided not to take the stand as if I have any fucking choice that I'm I mean, just I'm getting you fucking nasty piece of shit over and over again in so many ways. And then I go and look at these headlines, the people reporting this. I have I'm literally on my Twitter saying this is defamation.
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My lawyer told me I could sue the person that first posted this, the outlet. They have quotes from Aubrey. Quotes that she gave a source close to her. Who is close to me? Because the last time I checked, my dog doesn't know English.
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I mean, we feel your pain because... I mean, he probably knows English, but he probably knows several languages. My dog is fantastic.
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It has unfairly happened to me. You and I discussed this the first day. You would be like...
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Absolutely on your shit at work, and then a headline would come through that you've got a full-blown fucking bar in your room Unfair cruel and it guts you right at your talent right at what you've worked so hard to be it's not even gutting you your Physical or something as women we learn to get our physical gutted out the gate It's gutting you at your core at your talent at the thing you pride yourself on it's disgusting work and the other thing you pride yourself on your love and
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Like maybe there's more to this story. Maybe the partners weren't good for these people. Like it's so cruel the way people run things. And I've watched a chain with my manager even going back and forth. He was busy when all of this came out. There are millions of people saying, why didn't you respond when I asked if this was accurate? And they're yelling and he's like, I'm sorry, ma'am.
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I have 7 billion clients. I was on set all day and you chose to ran a story. without hearing back from me, that's your fucking problem. I'm literally looking at chains back and forth. My lawyer tells me to sue, but guess what? I look at these publications and they're pretty big. I'm in fact, I'm on a show on one of them that's about to come out. I'm going to what? Sue them.
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And then what is my edit going to look like? I already know it's not going to be good considering that I said they were defaming me on fucking Twitter.
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Oh, really? Please, because there are so many internet lawyers. Who's legit? Tell me their degree.
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This is why I'm not taking the stand. There are specific charges that the federal government have utilized in this indictment.
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Unless I was a part of this organization of crime, unless I was participating in freak-offs, if I were on a video, if I were watching people get beat and going back into the world and telling everybody this is a great place, these are great people, and even begging them to come back like my bandmate did, like my bandmate did, then maybe I would be on the stand. But I didn't partake in any of that.
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What happened to me, if something happened to me, like I said, I don't know. I don't have any answers yet. I don't like the process in which I have been receiving information, frankly. I've had to live in a very fucked up state. So all of you that did say something to me, you can go right ahead and fuck off. If I find you in the streets, I don't fight.
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I don't even know how to fight, but I'll definitely throw some words in your face. But with that being said, it's so disrespectful to come at me in the way that you guys are. These are criminal charges. I am not a criminal. I wasn't around during any drugs, watching people get beat. Did I see things? Yes, I did.
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And I told Homeland Security everything that I saw, every person that I saw, every bit of harassment that I experienced. And I gave all the attachments as well.
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Is this serious? I feel like I'm in a, I feel like I'm a punk.
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Learned it from a headline.
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I didn't testify because I haven't been subpoenaed. It's pretty simple. And in regards to promoting a podcast, I came over here to do this with you guys so that we could discuss all the things that can't be brought into the trial and so that we also have created an outlet
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so that people can go somewhere and hear the truth instead of having to depend on all of the outlets that are lying to you in their headlines. I think we have proven at this point that most of these people are lying in their headlines.
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So if you choose to continue to believe them and stay ignorant, that is on you because we have now created a safe space for actual information to exist and you have the option to come over here and hear it. You're welcome.
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I didn't even want to. You guys had to be here in order for me to come. I did not want to even be here. I'm too much in the middle of too much crazy shit, and I have no answers. But I also see that there's a lot of misinformation. And just in the press release of this alone, it has turned into a chaotic, negative event. And imagine after 20 years, people finally believe me.
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And within one day of an announcement of something good that is credible and telling you the truth, finally, so that you don't have to absorb lies and headlines from journalistic sources that are not even going to the source to confirm their stories, not even reaching out. You now have a space that we all in this room have worked very hard to create for you.
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And yet you now have turned on me and you're calling me a piece of shit again. You all are pick me. Children, pick-me's. Y'all are pick-me's.
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It's like they want me to have been in the freak-offs. It's like they want me to have been involved in all of this. Or they don't believe that you weren't. Yeah, but the thing is, is you all have seen me talk back to the man on camera. It was so palpable that everybody saw me as their favorite. I had that same energy on and off camera. I'm not an actor.
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I literally did one Lifetime movie and I was horrible. I don't I mean, when I had to die, it was so fucking stressful. I think they had to do like 700 takes because I don't know how to act. We got it.
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God, I can't even remember.
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I love you and all, but the actors, I couldn't remember the lines. I would just spar on the moment. I would just give what I felt when the, you know, like, oh, I think I could get delivered this for the scene. And then we'd have to stop and they would make me go back to my room and read the lines. And I just could never really capture the lines in my brain.
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No, I was murdered. You were murdered. I was choked.
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What? Do you know what it's like to... I actually channeled my time with Diddy for that scene. Oh!
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Yeah, so you know what? That headline had me fucked up. I mean, that one came like... The attacks from that headline came like in the middle of the night after we had had a full day of work. I got home to all the... I saw the article and my eyes were like... My stomach went into my... Onto the floor. Everybody was attacking me. And so I... Then...
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People that are in support of me and are watching and listening to what I'm saying understood. And they were like, this is the woman that wrote it about you. And they sent me her name on Twitter. So I went to chat GPT. I looked this woman up. I learned everything about her. It said very senior reporter. It said very credible, established, all these things.
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And I asked chat GPT, do you know any information on... that is a piece of gossip that would completely ruin her credibility and make her stomach sink to the floor if she were to see it and it were to go out into the world. Can you please tell me what it is? Thank you. Chat GPT responded, I cannot participate in that type of behavior or something. I have it screen capped.
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I was going to post it online, but then I thought to myself, how could... Retaliate, well, she's at E, I'm about to be on a show on their network. They could maybe get a fat photo of me or they can continue to use fat photos when they talk about me as the main picture. They could do all kinds of things to hurt me and to discredit me and to shit all over me.
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And I felt sick to my stomach, like I can't come after them. They'll just make my life worse because unfortunately people do believe just the headline and they don't read the story.
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I would have no issue if I came after her because she knows that she could just throw out a few more headlines to take me down. They are very much in control. And so by that... You kind of choked my voice. And I hope you're not an advocate for women because you just choked an advocate for women.
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Her title was way too pointed, but I did see articles that pulled things from this podcast and suggested support of him. And that's what I've discussed with you. The rope for women is so little. We don't get much rope. You either are this or you're that. If you want to dissect something like...
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a whole ass human being who could potentially lose his entire life after this trial, I'm not going to quick trigger on that. I know that he was a bad guy and I also saw good days too. I need to understand everything in the context of what evidence the government has secured and how they are proving this case and how him and his attorneys are proving this case.
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Listen, beyond even that, I had been telling people when I was fired what it is. I was more under contractual situations that were scary back then, so I couldn't just go straight for the target. But I've been getting more and more boisterous. I've been consistent for 20 years in telling people this is a problematic area, this is a problematic person to be working for.
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The Diddy Trial: A Brown Paper Bag and 100K
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
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The Diddy Trial: A Brown Paper Bag and 100K
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
They have different folders, allegedly, probably, for the different types of things.
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I mean, in my setting, it was you're out and I'm in a 360 situation and I cannot do anything from television to movies to writing a book to an interview to anything. 360 means no, never work in the industry again. We own you. Those deals is a whole nother podcast that needs to be discussed and dismantled industry wise.
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
But the NDAs basically silence you and there's a lot of money at the end tail of them if you happen to slip up. I believe allegedly that's why we didn't necessarily hear everything I was hoping Capricorn would say, because if you don't break it. And there's a payment. You likely could still receive the payment if you don't break it.
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Now, obviously, on a federal stand, you can break anything you want to break because there's no rules there and you can say whatever you need to say. But it could have been just smart maneuvering because she deserves it. She went through hell. I don't know. That's all a legend.
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
It's a nasty job. I couldn't do it. And so it makes me question the integrity of somebody that could.
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
Right. Well, you have to remember that like people can look at immunity and think, oh, they just wanted to get off and they had something on them. Those things are technically true. But also when you're asking to establish something like RICO, an organization of people that are helping commit crimes for somebody and everybody's committing crimes.
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
And so somebody's got to be able to get some type of immunity in order to be able to end the enterprise from existing and continuing on doing what they're doing. So you are going to see people that have been a part of business practices that are, you know,
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Let me be clear, Amy. If he was in charge of finance, which we know he was, I would likely not know him because I didn't see a dollar.
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a criminal potentially or that can provide some type of trail to basically just give info on the internal business practices as he witnessed them to be. He obviously is going to say something damning or he wouldn't have been on the prosecution's list.
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
Same thing we could say about Cassie. I mean, these are just the patterns of the people that he abused. And like I said, the first day, you know, when I read them, I immediately was like I had like a visceral response. And then I thought to myself, I've told Diddy I loved him. And he was abusive toward me. And there were things that were going on that weren't OK.
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
I don't know to what extent yet, but I could see I have loved my abuser in life. even after they abused me, it's very possible. And also when you can go back to somebody who, if you, if you were in that abuse and it took you into a state of shock, sometimes being able to revisit it and in a way where everything is okay now can provide a bit of like comfort and
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
Yeah, I know. But I'm bummed. You did it. You killed it. Listen, he was also leading up all of the fashion brands. He did the film stuff. He was overseeing his portfolio, basically. So doing the day to day operations. But yeah, on the money side, none of the artists probably would ever know him.
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and it can bring back the normalcy that you felt with that person. I mean, not everybody is out here trying to get in everybody's pockets and manipulate and lie. If this were just isolated events, then maybe we'd have to dig into them further and really dissect someone's character with multiple people or a really great cross-examination.
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
that does something else but say, didn't you just want to rack out on me too? Aren't you just lying about everything? I mean, guys, do you have anything that you actually can say that's credible that's going to make me think twice? These text messages are the pattern of everybody.
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
Capricorn, Cassie, even the first guy that came forward and was saying, you know, I still write him happy birthday on his birthdays, but I had to quit because the beating was too crazy for me to observe. You still feel like how I can still feel sympathy for him. And God, through this past two years, I've had days where I was like, this is so unfair to Diddy.
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
And I can't even believe I'm saying that now, especially after all the testimony. But I had days where I felt that.
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
Not during the trial. I've been doing it for two years prior to this trial. Okay. In those times when I didn't see it all laid out like this, there were days where I was like, man, he's getting piled up on. And I feel some kind of way about a black man being piled up on in this society. I really do.
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And maybe it's because I was raised in very like pivotal years of my life in that environment with those guys. But there was a part of me that just felt like this really needs to be fair and it doesn't need to be about anything other than the criminal behavior and whether it's true or not and can be proven. Yeah.
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
Basically, everything is just corroborate. Everything is showing force. Everything is showing intimidation. Everything is showing violence. Everything is reinforcing everything. Every single time someone gets up there, whether they were a male worker, a female worker, an employee, a lover, it's all just going back to the same types of behavior.
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
He might be the least known person to any of us over at Bad Boy because the money was never coming to us, the artists.
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
I mean, we're well past the threshold for all five charges, period, in my opinion.
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
Mia came in in a tiny bit of a crossover window, but she's been very present in the industry in multiple different positions. And so, yes, there was crossover with Mia there.
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
You know, I have the same type of feeling that everyone on the stand continues to say, which is there is this good side of him. There is a side that you can love. That side is so palpable that people will still write him after their abuse with loving messages or thoughts or feelings. It doesn't mean that everything that's going on isn't very criminal.
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
It just means that this is very complex and layered. And to suggest that there is nothing good about this person is... a very bold thing to suggest. And that's kind of what 80 civil suits were giving to on top, top, on top, on top of each other for years, year and a half or so.
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All the money and where the payments were going. You know, like Cassie established in the beginning, she was an artist that was signed to release 10 albums. There is a paycheck that goes alongside that and they recoup things, obviously, but you get consistent paychecks. She made it very clear early on her full time job became doing these sex parties and these freak offs and recovering.
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
And, and then, you know, as it's starting to be put together, there are days that I drive home and call people that also were around during that time, not my band members, but people in the industry. And we just like sit in silence and, pull up to wherever we're going and say, who the fuck were we working for? Who is he? What were we in? How were we put with this person? Like, why?
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
How could this have gone so unchecked by so many very high-level corporate people that gave him branding deals and TV shows and platforms to take young, impressionable artists and have them be exploited in ways that are just so degrading and humiliating that... I don't know. I just it's just being discussed in so many circles is just being so known to people. Suge Knight has said it a few times.
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
Everybody knew what Puff was on. Everybody knew this was going on. Even I said everyone knew there was behaviors like everybody knew the sex parties. Everybody knows. I know all kinds of little tea that I could drop it legally. I wouldn't because it turns you into a gossip versus somebody that's reporting on actual
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
events that are occurring in this trial and I'm not interested in being Wendy Williams even though I do love her but for me I'm just trying I was trying to find if there was a soul in there somewhere if there's something redeemable even in if he serves all the time that he should because I believe that they've hit the threshold on all five charges will he be able to find himself when he if
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
He is charged. Like, I don't know. It's almost like somebody that really locked into your soul. You kind of always still think about them. My entire life was changed because I met this person.
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Who the F*** Were We Working For?
For better or worse, the way that he was able to psychologically get inside my head and the way he groomed me at too young of an age to throw those boundaries down and say no, it had to have affected everyone I've dated. the way I positioned myself to them, the way I saw myself as a woman, the way that I thought my value was as a woman and so on and so forth.
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I mean, it's just very, very, very complex and the abuse is just too horrific and the system that's propping it up is just too knowledgeable of so much of this.
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I think he lost the plot. I think he had some of the plot when I was still there, but you know, it's so hard because technology really changed the game. You know, like you can't just do all your stuff anymore without there being, I mean, if someone dies, you have 80 cameras going up before people call 911. Everybody is documenting and everybody is selling the documents of everything.
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It's a very, very like movable part of our culture ingrained in us now. Back then in the 90s, I mean, people saw Freaknik on Hulu and were like, huh? What? What? Who? We're like, you know, every different cultures had different reactions. But that was really shocking for people back then. That was just what it was. I've been through this evolution of, this is just what it is over this way.
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So she was still getting paid as a bad boy employee, though. As we saw these things going on while Danity Kane was still there, I remember there were a lot of feelings of why do we have a platinum album? At this point, we had one. This was before our second one.
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And all the way to, no, this should never be where it is in any way. And certainly if this is just a lavish lifestyle, everybody that's allowing the money to continue rolling in for this lavish lifestyle that are attending the events of this lavish lifestyle have got to come inside their homes at night and question, would I want my daughter doing this?
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Would I want my daughter dating this, being involved in this? Like, I guess when it's not happening to yours and your own, maybe you just don't do the oversights properly. But this is a very big, very, very big problem. And a lot of very big people, I would like to see accountability on so many levels.
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It's the facilitated and allowed to continue. And I want the higher levels on down to the people that were wrangling for him. We've talked to people where we've heard stories of that being alleged. You know what I'm saying? Like, I want to see all of that. I think people that were in the know, I don't know. I knew things and I tried telling people and no one was listening.
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And I got to see the results of it. Maybe other people didn't want to see those results. The results aren't pretty. They're humiliating and embarrassing. And you don't really get to become what you wanted to become or could have become in life anymore.
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I just I think that they've proved I mean, I was speaking with an attorney the other day about the thresholds on all five charges. We've we've just seen them. I asked if everything's been met, and in their opinion as an attorney, they said yes on all five. I feel the same. Obviously, I'm not an attorney, but I'm yes on all five here and now today.
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If they brought on a bodyguard in KK, I probably just would go to sleep for the defense because it's an under-the-jail-wrap type of a situation if a bodyguard in KK go up there. If any of the bodyguards...
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Any of the bodyguards that I maybe allegedly know that maybe have allegedly committed any federal crimes with him, if they were to have been given immunity allegedly and they take the stand and they allege to things that they did, that would be damning. So in the attorney I spoke to's opinion, Emily Simpson, she felt like she would love to see a bodyguard and an executive involved.
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From the system, which Harv Pierre's name has been thrown around a lot in that courtroom and in civil suits. And that was my boss. All right.
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And we would sit there and kind of see a lot of very luxurious things happening and wondering why are we the ones that have the platinum albums and we're still sitting on the floor wearing Forever 21 writing songs like Mad Women and Um, and weren't carrying the bags that Cassie had or arriving in the cars that Cassie was in.
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Oh, girl, I don't like to call her anything. I don't call her and I don't like to call her. That is just what they call her. And I'm going with the days on that one. I don't have her in my phone and nor do I ever want.
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Eddie, my angel was how Puff had him saved.
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Eddie, my angel. Interesting. Interesting. You know, it's funny in my phone, I would get people reaching out to me when all of this first started. And, you know, some numbers I don't know a lot of them I did.
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And then, shockingly, and it's been so many years that I didn't even know that I had people in my phone still stored in this but there was puffs girl one puffs girl purple shoes, puff girls missing a diamond in her bracelet. Puff Girl 3. I went to, and then when it came up, I was like, this girl is...
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high profile and she's this and that and she's saying puffs girl where and i guess at the time i was just saving anyone that was around that puff would maybe need to pass on to talk to somebody while something's going on or whatever however whatever allegedly i thought i knew at the time that's how i was saving people and i tend to save people that i'm not going to be close with but that i'm needing to have a moment with to move on from
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like that so I can get out of it. And there was a lot of puffs girls in my phone. It was, it was pretty hectic.
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Yeah, everybody. There's been people that have hit me up that want to come talk on the show that are victims, allegedly. There are people that were only around during family times that have a hard time even seeing him like this. There are people that only saw him like this. There are days where I just get like, this guy's the fucking devil. And those are like...
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Those are feelings that come, that happen for people. I mean, I don't want to discredit any of it. I just want to make sure that we're always going back to the evidence and that we're always, that I personally am always taking my biases out and making sure that, like, if Brian Steele had killed this cross, I would be telling you. I really would. I'm impressed with him as a lawyer. He's a big deal.
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I mean, it was like almost this unfair feeling, but she was so sweet to us. It wasn't necessarily toward her, but there was always questions of like, it was very, it was always, we were always very curious as to where the money is going and where we're seeing it going versus who's actually earning it and keeping the whole place afloat.
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I just really wish I heard a lot of big deal shit coming out of his mouth instead of like, weren't you just on the Me Too train? Aren't you just lying about everything? That's just noise. It's noise that anybody that's been around lawyers or has studied the law knows that that's utilized. And he was effective. I think everybody can probably say she got the hardest cross. He was brutal.
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And that brutality was because she was such a good, strong, consistent witness. When they're good and strong, you have to be good and strong. I think, though, it's not going to work in his favor. I think it's victim shaming. It's going to come off as allegedly. I think it's going to come off as victim shaming to the jury. And I think that it might backfire. It just might backfire.
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But I have people watching the jury. There's one person that is a little concerning for me.
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I don't know if we should get into this right now or later on or when, if it should be an episode or what.
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That's a good tease.
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I've had people watching the jury from the very beginning because, in my opinion, the most important day that... this trial had was when they chose the jury. Okay.
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And if anyone wants to ask me, Amy, or TJ about any fake headlines that we could clear up for you, go right ahead. I dare you. We got smoke for you, too.
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Okay, I'll take all the smoke for everybody. I got it.
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But also in regards to Derek, he will probably get into the whole financial structure. I'm sure he was paying allegedly many people off. There's a lot of DNAs going on. I'm sorry. NDAs. There's a lot of NDAs. I haven't had my coffee yet, guys.
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Yes, it's all over. It's all over. You'll get that one light and turn off to go to the dark. Lord Jesus. But but no, there's there's a lot of NDA talk going on on the stand. And in general, I was even given a NDA when I left and it said certain things. That I could never do if I wanted to be let out of my contract.
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I think he's going to be able to understand a lot of the contracts, the money, the movement. And then also he was given a lead position over at Revolt. So he also is likely going to be able to talk about Mia and what he experienced working with her and what he potentially heard, saw or didn't. knows to be true in regards to any of her testimony.
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Brian's last cross, he started off his cross with Mia. I thought he, you know, we're really talking one of the best defense criminal lawyers you could probably have. Definitely incredible on cross. His cross was like one of the worst crosses I've seen in this trial so far. And this one this morning was a bit better than
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However, if you don't have anything to go on, you don't have any other choice than to victim shame, basically. You have one direction. If they had any real material to discredit her, they would have used it. She was a strong witness. She was credible and she was consistent. And so he had to be strong with her. Unfortunately, I mean, the strong was strong. He asked her direct questions.
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The questions... I took note of them because they were, like, so strong.
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He said, are you making it all up? To me, that's going way too far. That means you don't have much for this girl. Your smoke is very little. Because are you making it all up is... He it's a it's noise. It's noise for the jury to get lost in. He also straight up asked her numerous times if she was on the Me Too money train. A bit tone deaf.
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I hope that he just carries that type of ideology and language in the courtroom and doesn't take it home to his audience.
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family because that's a bit much um but basically just a lot of noise and at the at the uh redirect they were clear are you making any money are you going after him with a lawsuit are you trying to get money from this man the answer was no so at the end of the day um i think they kept her on the stand too long and i think that the defense should have wanted her to get off immediately
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So I just think Mia was such a game changer because she established a pattern of sexual abuse that wasn't the way in which it's been spoken about pretty consistently so far, which are these freak-offs. They were just... Alleged rapes occurring while she was packing a bag when she was asked to not asked basically forced for her job's sake to live in his home and Not have locks on her doors, etc.
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No, I mean, outside the courtroom, it's a shit show. I mean, there's literally people out there wearing bras saying, I want to be in a freak off like it's getting really hectic outside. That is going to show, you know, what we've been discussing this entire time, this like iconic status, this mass appeal thing.
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And then there really is this strong understanding in our society that if a woman at all ever, like in the case of Mia, if they ever just said I love you or happy birthday or observed them in any type of positive way, even after their abuse, that they're just liars and everybody's going for a me too money grab. And it's just not the way the psychology works. It's not the way coercion works.
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It's not the way influence and control work. It's just a very hard thing to get people to sit down and read psychology books. If we were doing that, I think we'd be in a much different place politically right now. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's easy to brainwash people into believing things.
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We want all the smoke, all the smoke and all the tea. Call in.
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It was always very common for people to come in and clean up after his messes, yes, absolutely. What's interesting in that piece of testimony, because we know about the video, we've watched it 15 times, they slowed it down, rewind it, chopped and screwed and swerved it, we know what the video is. What's interesting in his testimony that stood out was, we heard that KK name again,
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KK came and gave him a visit. KK told him, hey, he was really out of it. He was like super drunk. I forgot exactly the words that she used. Intoxicated were the words that she used. And that he didn't recall it. But what I thought was interesting when he said that is, hmm... When the video first came out, he said my behavior was disgusting.
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There was just all of this established behavior That is a bit new for us to hear. So we're learning now a broader scheme We're also seeing somebody that was just an employee she didn't want to be his girlfriend and She didn't want to be lovers with him. And now you're starting to get to hear from more of the enterprise, basically.
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I went back and watched it to see if there was any type of recalling in his little statement that he made. And then I started looking through the transcripts and realized they came forward and their answer to this video originally was... Cassie stole his phone. It wasn't about a freak off. There was no such sexual situation. He was pissed because she took off with his property.
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He shouldn't have behaved that way. But she stole something of his that was suggested and thrown out there as something that could maybe stick. Well, if you recall that she took your cell phone, then certainly you have to be able to recall that.
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everything else and so what KK then said to what Eddie Garcia testified to would then be have been allegedly not true and if he was intoxicated and didn't remember any of it then I don't think KK would have been sent over to make sure that everything was handled with the video because he wouldn't have remembered it
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KK's getting on this stand, y'all. I keep saying it. She about to come on this stand.
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And she was Diddy's chief of staff. She's known in the industry to be the person that you go to if you need to get to Diddy, period.
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And if you read a lot of the motions that came in early on in this trial, there was much of that behavior. They were trying to get a lot of things taken out on the prosecution side because allegedly in front of a lot of these freak-offs, Diddy would make a statement, everyone here is happy and willing to be here, right?
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There were alleged comments being made that there were communications that were told to be sent to people after these events occurred saying, had a great night, so glad we all did that consensually. There was a lot of cleanups. There was a lot of making sure everyone is on the same page, allegedly. And there are a lot of things.
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What I think is just insane is the man that I knew when I worked there was just so the behavior was so erratic. It was giving allegedly a bipolar type of feeling. It was bouncing around chaotic so much like one minute is somber. The next one is we're going to Bali.
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you know, it was just like every which way and for somebody that was moving that quickly, he sure did pay a lot of attention to make sure to have everyone else calling the escorts, choosing the escorts, showing him the photos, getting what he wanted, selecting, but them calling, handing them the money, but them paying, grabbing people say afterwards, I had a good time. That's all coercion.
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That's all force. That is all somebody. And so to me, what's super damning about all this that everyone's missing in all of the noise and distraction is He's been very aware, in my opinion, allegedly, that this behavior is illegal because he's been passing it off to other people to handle for a very long while now. You don't do that when you know what you're doing is legal.
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I don't question what I do when I do it. If I've ever in my life sent anyone in to deal with it on our end, I mean, we don't do things like that. but on our end, if you don't want a network to hate you, you'll have your manager or agent go and say what needs to be said, and you'll cuss and yell at your agent and manager, like, how dare they talk and treat me like this?
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You know, that's the type of thing, though, is we know not to go to the network and directly get at them, because at the end of the day, that will directly affect our jobs and our careers. So there was such an awareness for such a long period of time that he needed to hand over all of the... Burden to other people to clean up.
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About Kid Cudi and What's To Come...
We haven't even gone all the way back. But there are reports of these things occurring by people that witnessed them long before this window that the trial is addressing. So, you know, back then there weren't cell phones and things like that. So you can't easily get footage, text messages, communications. It's a bit harder to prove things.
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However, there has been allegations of a lot of things and there has been direct witnesses to a lot of things that have come forward. and spoke on this exact behavior going on. There were a lot of people that understood this in the industry, and there were a lot of people who did not come forward. Even Kid Cudi himself, we're just now learning all of this.
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And he's a very, very, he's your artist's favorite artist. I'm a huge fan of Kid Cudi. For him to not come forward right away and let all of us know, you have to understand there's some element of, I don't want to say fear because I don't want to speak for another human's emotions on something, but definitely knowledge that this wouldn't be smart for me to discuss publicly.
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It seemed to happen all the time that there would be these breakups and makeups. There would be these pauses and not. I mean, if you kind of look through everything in chronological order, he also had to pay attention to other girlfriends that were there. So maybe on a week where another girlfriend was getting attention, Cassie wasn't... maybe knew about it, was pissed. There was an argument.
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Who knows? I mean, we can only estimate and we can only assume what went on. But they clarified that there wasn't a relationship at that time. And then she fell for another guy. I mean, all we do in this industry is live in studios and record music. You meet all kinds of people, producers, artists.
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We're all in the same rooms late at night, early in the morning, during the day, whenever, making music. And so we're constantly running into each other and having connections and vibes with each other.
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Yep. So the commonplace is also him always having access to her phones and knowing what's inside of them. That is a common thread that even one of Cassie's writers that worked with her for a majority of her career, a woman named Tiffany Redd, she even had the music she was making with Cassie was taken in.
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It's very Kid Cudi. You know, he's not deviating from what he is, who he is. You know, it's very on brand in my opinion. He's kind of like this outlier in the music industry. He's experimental. And he basically just looked like this was, you know, he was going to go up there and say what he knew.
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out of her phone at some point and they had written a song about the freak offs and he found out and was pissed about it and allegedly she was punished accordingly. This being able to access her phones and understand everything that's going on with her is showing that he was always maintaining this control and also even with Cassie's mom's testimony,
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She said he even made her take out a $20,000 loan because he was going to blackmail her and Cuddy and release videos of Cassie. And the mom was scared enough to go get put a loan on her, I believe, home. against your home and then he gave it back. I mean, we all know Diddy's not thirsty for $20,000. That was a power play and that was a game check on someone's mother.
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What would you feel if someone did that to your mother? And then also the fact that everyone complied enough to even go take out a loan. That's an extensive degree of putting your ass on the line. Of course, you would do it for your child, but that's the type of Control, power, coercion, force, all of these things were so present in all of these stories.
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Everybody felt like they had to do what this man wanted or there was going to be consequences that would be extreme.
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About Kid Cudi and What's To Come...
It's likely that when they because at the Soho house, Cassie was there. It was Diddy, Cassie and Cuddy. I also found it very interesting that the Soho house was chosen. I mean, obviously, if I'm Cuddy, I'm not trying to go anywhere behind closed doors with a man like a hotel because we all know the hotels are like low key need to be addressed at how irresponsible they were with their behavior.
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About Kid Cudi and What's To Come...
All of them that have been announced. And then also, you know, I think that he wanted to be, you know, if you guys have been to the Soho house, there's agents, managers, celebrities. You can't get in there until you have the magic key. Like, you've got to be able to be somebody to be there.
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And the fact that they're taking a meeting that's this dicey and uncomfortable in front of everybody that could be definitely everybody's looking at you in the Soho house if they're not a celebrity and they've gotten there some other way. They're spying. They're walking by. They're overhearing things.
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No phones, but I've taken pictures at Soho House, and I've taken pictures of things at Soho House, so I don't know. But either way... Don't admit that. Now you're never going to be allowed back home. Listen, I don't ever want to go there. I don't want to be around any type of celebrity again. This trial has shown enough to the world that...
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And most things that you think are really grand and great come with a lot of dark shit behind them. But anyway, so, you know, the fact that they chose to be there, I think it probably went a little something like, and this is all just me alleging and assuming, maybe Cassie took the fall in the conversation in regards to potentially saying, like,
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She didn't tell Kid Cudi she was still doing the stuff with Diddy. Maybe she still loved Diddy. Maybe she felt scared like she couldn't say no to these situations or else he would blackmail them again. I don't know the timeline of these things, but either way, I think maybe...
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He also admitted to being, you know, industry colleagues with Diddy, you know, thinking that they were cool. And so to go through something like this, to the extent of, you know, traumatizing an animal, locking him away, breaking through all of the presents in his house that were around, blowing up his car.
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because we've seen her kind of like cater to these things that she doesn't want to do, but because maybe, you know, she liked Kid Cudi and they dated for a sec, maybe she felt responsible and like she didn't want him to get in further trouble. harm of Puff and what he thought Puff was capable of. And it could have been something like, I didn't tell you I was talking to Puff.
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I didn't tell him I was talking to you. I was like, it could have been something like that. And I don't know that there wasn't like that force and coercion and fear at the helm of that, if that is the case.
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By the way, it doesn't sound like he went and cleaned it all up himself afterward. And so far, we haven't heard anyone take the stand that discussed having to clean it. There are some people in the civil suits that had to clean up rooms. There was a guy that found... I think he said over 100 razors.
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That's not a direct quote, but something around hundreds of razor blades and blood and semen on walls, on the ground, everywhere. That was just the guy that rented the home out, not even Airbnb or Vrbo, but a lot of times people with a lot of money go through private brokers to rent bigger homes for certain periods of time or certain events.
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There's been a lot of talk about how chaotic these rooms looked afterwards. I would like to know if anyone cleaning them had to make reports on that. I'm assuming that's policy.
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Also, did you see the pills that the guy who took the stand that did the raid? He had pictures. They showed pictures of items that they found during the raid. There was the 2C, which is pink cocaine. I only know that because the kids talk about it. My my days of being a wild, free child are long over. But it actually was pink, which was kind of cool.
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Like I thought it was maybe given like rose or like, you know how they say the pink sand beaches. But when you get there, they're not really technically pink as much as they look enough. You got to Photoshop them a bit. This cocaine was pink, Barbie pink in the picture. Then there was a bunch of prescription bottles of medicine and the name on them was Frank Black.
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One of the same names that they used. So we need to figure out who the doctors were. They were prescribing medicine to Frank Black because those people need to lose their license.
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And actually, prior to even this testimony, even them announcing him on the list, I had had conversations with people. Various people that did make me aware of this situation. I was so curious how you blow up a car. The Molotov cocktail was then explained to me. I looked it up and learned what it was and how one would make something like that. But I think that...
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Yeah. And what's interesting, I actually saw somebody in trial and the transcripts discuss one of the men. I think he was the punisher. He actually discussing electric candles.
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And it's interesting that you just said candle wax was everywhere because I think probably they got sick of that thousand extra thousand dollar deposit and switched over to the electric because then you're not going to get wax everywhere.
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Oh, no, that's my favorite hotel. Don't say it.
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I think maybe, I don't know. I love the hotel. It's my favorite hotel, but it also is a convenient place to put people if you need to get to them quickly and you want them on command for whatever behavior you may want them to partake in.
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It goes back to a few things, I believe. Perception is reality, is what you said the other day on the podcast. And Benjamin Kaplan, he said on stand, he was a god among men. He was an icon. He was somebody that he was in awe of. Like these are, that is the way that a lot of people have seen him. That is the perception that he has been given.
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I mean, listen, when they did this media blitz of when Diddy was coming back and he was getting a, he was performing at one of the award shows and he was getting the icon honor and all of these things. He literally gets icon honors. That's telling the world he's an icon. I mean, just right flat right there, we know what it is.
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But during that, the first headline that kind of popped up during his many great headlines into the future of what he was about to release, which was a show on Hulu that was following his family and so on and so forth. He had a next big phase coming, like the 90s phase, like the making the band era phase. He was going to have a new phase. He's great at getting young people excited.
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in my opinion, sucking the souls out of all of these people, not paying them, at least in my experience and ones before, allegedly, and then, utilizing them to make him cool again in the new era. And he kind of had this little thing going on that he was moving into a new girlfriend that was this time down for this world and publicly open that she just loves it all.
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And so maybe he was moving into the territory of understanding how much in the past there's been problems with, people that maybe didn't necessarily want to behave like that. He kind of started moving closer toward being open in that way. But also, like, in all of that movement, I think that this headline came out that said he was giving all of his artists their publishing back.
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I am one of the artists that is part of building a legacy over at Bad Boy. We have platinum albums. That's a lot of money and it was before streaming. It was when you had to go into the store and pay $17.99 for the VIP album or $14.99 for the regular one. It's a lot of money that was generated and a lot of money that came in. And so in all of that saying...
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I watched every single person release the headline that he's a benevolent soul. He's changed his ways. He has a reputation for not paying his artists. He's changed his ways. He's now giving back to all of the artists that built and propped up bad boy. And he's going to now be pro artist. Everything is going back to all the people, even people during the love album.
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Specifically, there's somebody that has a lawsuit against him that was not paid. And that was that era. Yeah. So even all the way up until that era, we're seeing the same behavior from him repositioned. Like you said, Amy, perception is reality. The new perception was this. The new perception was love. That was the new name. The new perception was dating a girl that likes the freaky stuff.
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It's alarming, and what it mostly did for people that aren't able to understand DV, that, you know, DV is a very intricate thing. It's very difficult for people to see some of Cassie's testimony during the cross-examination in regards to messages that she sent, etc. If you can't understand how someone could be groomed and programmed to...
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So I don't have to have any problems with anything on the other side. Potentially like I've seen in the past, you know, allegedly there there's this whole kind of new era that he was walking into. And the start of it was he's giving all of his artists their publishing back. And that just was not true, according to the contract that I received.
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So two things. When I got the giving us our publishing back, you know, he put all of our publishing in his mother's name. So all the artist publishing is under Janice Combs. Why? Beats me, TJ. So then when we get the email from Janice Combs, publisher, associate, whatever it is, the emails are saying, we're giving you your publishing back.
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Doesn't say the amount, doesn't talk about the details, but does say that you're signing a full release on demand. everyone in his family, anyone that's ever managed, been their agent or label or representative, anyone that's ever represented them, them, them, and them, basically the entire industry, a full release, and you can never disparage Puff in public ever again.
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You can't talk about anything, you can't have a lawsuit, and you can't disparage. And that contract, when I had my lawyer look into it, it was about like $300.13. It was for when a new label... took over our catalog and for streaming in the past certain period of time that they've had our catalog, which, as you know, like a million streams is a penny.
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So and this isn't back in, you know, 2004, 5, 6, when Danity Kane was having platinum sales where we would have had, you know, ridiculous numbers on the streaming side. And so it was it was a ruse. It wasn't even what it said it was. And when I learned that, my instinct was to feel there's no way that he's reformed. Something's got to be up. That was just the instinct.
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And then when I looked into it, I confirmed it based off of what it was asking from me versus what it was giving me. And there was, you know, the new label was attached to those ideas as well. That's troublesome for me. And then, like, I think I've said this to you guys before, but since he was arrested, we've started to receive money.
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Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. People are you get you hear him threatened to fire someone at least like once. You know, this is satire. This is like satire, kind of at least like 30 times a day. I mean, I heard that so frequently. If you didn't want to do anything that he said and not even if you didn't want to do it, if you tried your best and just weren't able to. There was a consequence, right?
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You know, want to send specific things in this case, sexualized conversation to get somebody to pay attention to her and like her. You can definitely understand Kid Cudi leaving his home, having it not broken into, which was a little bit of a, you know, not a win, but it was a fight back with his defense team and cross examination. The door was open.
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Absolutely. I mean, Dave Chappelle has like done a famous skit on making the band. And it's outrageous and ridiculous. And that's kind of how everybody knows the behavior to be. For people to think he's a god among men. I mean, I'm a god, a king. I can do anything I want. I remember one time like in, I believe, Miami.
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He went on a rant when we were all running around for some basketball event, I believe. We were all with him in an SUV or something, some kind of car. And he was going off on these tangents about being a king and riding on the backs of average men. And he can this and he can that. And, like, these, like...
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these big fascinations of being this king among men, this God among men was very much the daily conversation. It wasn't just here and there or during a freak off or during threatening somebody. It was just daily for no reason.
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A few times. I was never afraid of him to the point where I would have done anything sexual. If something happened to me, I wouldn't have been, I wouldn't have, I would have been drugged if something happened to me. Never would I consensually have done something with him. In any situation that I was put in, I got the fuck out.
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It'll air on Netflix. You know, in the beginning, it was hard for me because I kind of looked at people that did like, all right, we're different. But along the way in my life, I've seen myself take less than I know I am.
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behave less than I know I am because I loved somebody a lot and I wanted them to be happy with me and the grooming and the messaging and the understanding from someone much older was I need this. Now this wasn't what Diddy was asking of. This was something different.
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This was something that was more along the lines of something that wasn't out of my wheelhouse and wasn't something I would never do. But I do understand the psychology behind the thinking that people had in regards to this person.
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And if they happen to love him or happen to be, you know, trying to advance their career or themselves, you know, there's a lot of victims and every victim is not the same and what their intentions are is not the same. It could be anything of many options. And I've seen many options amongst the people that I know. But I never felt scared enough to do anything sexually, but did I feel scared? Yes.
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Was he able to take it to the degree in which he claims multiple times all the time to people, which is fire me? Yeah, and it wasn't because I got the gallon of water wrong.
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Leaning toward prosecution. I think we're getting into RICO now. I believe that possessing people across state lines, I think that's cooked. That's in. Those charges are done. Um, I think that force and coercion has really been established in these past couple of days with many other people.
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To me, I don't know that that establishes anything, going into a home that doesn't belong to you, whether the door is open or not. I'm not sure legally if that's still considered a break-in. To me, if it's not your house, it's a break-in. I don't know what the actual legality is on that, but they did establish that his door was open.
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Um, even though some people were in or a person was inconsistent on the stand, everyone else has been seeming to be pretty consistent. Um, and I think that as you hear names like Mia, Capricorn, KK, um, Whole lot of people coming up. If those names are in there and these stories are taken all the way full circle, we've touched down on RICO. We've touched down on trafficking.
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We have definitely accomplished possessing people and transporting them. So prosecution's doing a really strong job. Now, I do want to say the big question kind of looming in the air right now is, did he testify? Does he take the stand? As a child of a lawyer and being around lawyers my whole life, a defense lawyer at this high of a level would absolutely tell you, no bueno, don't do it.
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However, I thought it was interesting that they decided to respectfully not counter Cassie's mom. A lot of people are writing me like, oh, Cassie's mom knew it, she said it, and they had no defense. We all know that he's got the best lawyers in the game, and a defense lawyer at this high of a level gets a whole lot of money.
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They are not here because they don't know how to counter any and everything, even the truth. They did that likely because they feel like there's some openings for them, and they can make something like that appear as... Showing respect for a mother. And as a jury member, you can see, wow, they're not even going to like go against a mother. And his mom is behind him.
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And hey, even look, his kids are behind him. This is a man that cares for people and has a respect level for somebody because we've kind of established that he's a God among men in his head. And he's made other people believe it as well. But I think possibly if he takes the stand, he's got to do a better job than he did in his first apology video.
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He's going to have to directly name Cassie and directly discuss. Kind of where he was at. He's going to have to establish this was a long time ago. He was a drug addict. This is not behavior that he currently exists in right now, etc. But if you look at any of the civil suits and you see the.
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enormous destruction in the path of this man and also the whole team around him that was allowing all of the criminal criminal behavior, alleged criminal behavior to occur. And also everybody on the stand that's now basically aligning and cooperating force, coercion, people that were there and helping and brought places against their will, etc., It's all lining up pretty well for the prosecution.
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And then they also established that there was no damage done to the home itself. And they also established, which was interesting to me, that do you think that you and Puff both got played by Cassie? And he did say yes.
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Putting him on the stand, I don't know that it will do anything except correct potentially one or two jurors' fascination and belief that, like Amy said, perception is reality and maybe this guy is an icon to some of them deep down. We don't know.
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Yeah, I mean, right.
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I don't think he'll testify either. It would be fascinating if they feel that they're winning a tiny bit or that they've left some places open. I mean, we've seen a lot of character assassination. Right. If they can correct that and they think that the prosecution leaned on that too much. There's a possibility. However, obviously, like we discussed, no lawyer would tell you to do it.
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He has gone against his lawyers in some of the bonds when he was trying to get bailed out. He wanted videos posted up with the kids, et cetera, on his birthday. He did defy his lawyer's orders. You see his kids saying, hey, dad, they told us not to do this. And him saying, fuck that, it's my birthday. So I don't know exactly what will happen.
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But one thing I did learn is at any point, if the prosecution feels like they're very strong on, let's say, one, three and four, but two and five are a bit weak, you know, they didn't expect to lose two people Friday before Monday's trial start date. I don't think they expected witness to was going to come off so not credible.
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I think a lot of people have corrected it since then, but if they feel like they haven't necessarily driven home any one point, which I'm not thinking they're going to at this point, because I think they're going to come forward with the people that I've discussed could close up all these gaps.
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But if they do feel weak, they can give him a plea deal at any point prior to the jury coming back in, and the trial will be done, and what the jury feels won't matter. So we've I've never seen anything like that at this high of a level with this big of a person with this high of stakes on the line. But learning that made me realize politics mirror entertainment a good amount.
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And we've seen some stuff politically lately that was mind blowing. So maybe over in entertainment, it's a possibility we could see some mind-blowing things as well. That's a very rare chance, but it is a possibility. They can do that if they decide to.
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Definitely on brand with what I saw and definitely on brand with what we all saw in the 90s. I mean, Diddy and beefing with other rappers has gone all the way back to probably before this, but definitely very known publicly with Tupac and Biggie. There were rap beats going on. There was shit being taught. There were threats being made to both of those people, unfortunately lost their lives.
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So yes, there's always been this bravado of threats and threats of violence within the hip hop music industry. And I think that this is something a bit different because it's not a rap beef. It's not a beef amongst hip hop artists. This was a man that was dating a woman that was no longer with the guy. And it seems like this really set up force and coercion.
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If you couldn't understand why Cassie didn't just get up and leave and if you feel she had a choice and if you feel that, you know, she stuck around because she wanted to be there and that, you know, she didn't seem scared here, here and here. Well, this certainly clears it up for people. Sounds like a pretty scary guy if you ask me.
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Whether you're talking to an established artist like Kid Cudi or a girlfriend like Cassie Ventura, it doesn't matter. There was threats of violence or violence in both cases, allegedly.
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Well... I read in the testimony that he knew that they were in his home because he received a call, I believe, by Capricorn. Capricorn was around during my time. She was one of the assistants that was very in the know of the troubling details of Diddy's behavior. Capricorn, another person, and Puff was the three names that I saw that were brought to his house.
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Capricorn against her will is what I read. That's establishing three people inside of his home.
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They weren't there anymore.
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But a whole bunch of shit in his house was fucked up. So who did that? The maid? The outside pool guy? The landscape artist? I don't think so.
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I think the prosecution is doing an incredible job at carefully establishing elements. They're methodically going through testimony and they're leading us to the water. They're leading everybody to the drink. We have to leave space and room to understand that three people were named. Are we going to see Capricorn on the stand? I know she has a story.
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If you go back and look at her statement when all of this occurred, it was something to the extent on X. She said something like, Like, basically, these people are horrific. They will act like they like you and then skin you and wear your skin like it's the latest fashion. It was pretty damning the way that Capricorn sees the establishment.
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I've heard she is. And. You know, she has a horrific story. And when people hear about it, if they hear about it, it's absolutely going to work in the prosecution's favor in regards to force, coercion, and RICO.
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Capricorn was... so senior when we were around that she kind of was in charge of sending us places and scheduling. She was mostly doing higher level stuff with Diddy, but we did see her a lot during making the band. It could be possible that she was abused herself.
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Skin you and wear you and then pretend they never wanted the skin. Capricorn has a really crazy story. When the jury hears it, it's gonna be a bombshell. I don't know how much she will be able to say because allegedly there was a payment given and I don't know how the legality works on all of that.
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However, if she is able to say exactly what happened to her and I'd like her to say who paid her allegedly, people are gonna be shook.
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Anyone that knows Puss knows what that look is, knows what that stance is, knows what that posturing is. And also anyone that doesn't know him personally, his Halloween choices have been... Not Marvel, yes DC, about the same thing, they're competitors. He was out on the streets as the Joker.
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After being the Batman and being told not to please play any of the characters within their franchise, he then took on the Joker, ran around New York, and was behaving like he was terrorizing the street with that big Joker smile. He kind of lives for and embodies these these villain characters, even when it's time for dress-up.
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I mean, it's a little bit of levity in the sense that, like, up until now, we've heard about just monstrous abuse. We've heard about horrific sexual deeds all the way to, like, filling someone's mouth with urine until they choke.
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Absolutely helped. Established Rico. He established an organization. He discussed that when he received a call that they were in the home, that it was an accomplice, another person with him, and also Capricorn, who was around during my time at Making the Band. So three people were in the house when he was called and told that they were there.
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I think letting people know that he looks like a fucking Marvel villain standing at the Soho house is, like, a moment of levity for people because everything has been so tense. And also... Like I said, anyone that knows Puff understands what that stance and feeling is. Like I've always said when I've been with you guys, all-encompassing takes the air out of the room when you walk in.
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That's that Marvel stance, hands behind his back, waiting to see what's up. It's very much that... It's very much Diddy, right?
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Sure, intimidating. And also, like, I had moments of him that were so scary. And then a second later, he would dap me up. So, like, he would do something scary. And then he would... And I would be scared. And then he would dap me up and be like, but that was good, though. That was good. Keep it up. Keep it up. And then walk out. And I would remember...
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feeling confusion, like, did I do something good or bad here? Am I liked or not liked? The way that he was able to switch energies within seconds and, you know, in one moment be, like, extremely scary and in another moment be, like, dapping you up is very... is very confusing. You start to not understand the mission that you came in for. You start to get confused yourself.
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Well, I don't know anyone that wouldn't fear someone who blew up their car, right? Allegedly, you know what I'm saying, or was even responsible for sending people over to blow up his car. It was said by Cassie that he said he was going to do it. It was done. It's been established by the police report. We saw pictures. I think that.
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Life gets pretty real when you see that things can get blown up when someone says they're going to blow it up. You can be as like cool and tough as you want to, but your car being blown up is a bit scary. You know, you could have been getting inside of it when the bomb went off.
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I mean, listen, I know everybody loves their dogs differently. Um, The life, the car being blown up and his life that could have been inside of it when that occurred. The home being vandalized and mostly the dog being traumatized and locked up. I know how much I love my dogs. I would be pretty ready to get on that stand unless somebody know how I felt.
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First off, got to say, giving James Dean in the in the entrance into court, you know, smoking on a Newport 100. You know, he's about to sit down and tell the whole world what he knows.
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I think probably at the time, he says that he understood him to be the person that did it. He kind of had to brush off Diddy's, oh, no, it wasn't me, man. Everything's cool. And then later on in 2015, hey, sorry for all that stuff that went down.
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You know, I think that it shows how powerful and how many people to very high levels of influence were just not trying to cross Diddy in any type of way. It would not be to your benefit. Potentially, it could be to your demise. We are covering only a period of time in this trial. You got to remember the 90s. We're at making the band era and after with dirty money.
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Hey, everyone. I am so excited to be back with you. I am covering the Diddy trial. This is TJ and Amy presents me, Aubrey O'Day, covering the Diddy trial. I have with me today, Dr. Viviana Coles, who has dedicated her career to helping couples and individuals navigate emotional and physical intimacy challenges since 2003. Now, Viviana, I don't want to
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the God amongst men, did he at some point start potentially in, is it possible that he started in a sexually positive place or maybe he was exposed to things in his childhood that made him understand sex in a more forward way, but that at some point he just lost the plot?
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I have a question for you. Are Diddy's proclivities a little bit more common than people realize? Because I at one point was invited in just living in LA to a celebrity sex party and we had to dress up and wear masks. Obviously, I had no desire or intention to have sex there, but I definitely wanted to go assess the scene so I could tell everybody about it later.
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No, Viv, you just said we have to give information to the people. They need to know what it looks like and how to keep themselves safe if they choose to be in the environment. So as somebody, I signed an NDA. I'm not naming names, but I will say that everybody was consensual. It was very performative. There was an actual performance that occurred prior to them opening up the rooms upstairs.
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And with that being said, I want to ask you before we get into breaking down situations in the trial, let's do myth versus reality quick shots real quick, just so we can kind of establish a norm for the audience in regards to some of the behaviors that they're hearing during this trial.
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And kind of when I observed all of it, I just felt like, I didn't understand it and it didn't make sense to me because I didn't see love in any of it. And I didn't see that any of them knew each other well enough that they had a respect for someone that they were allowing inside of them. I just couldn't lock into it. And you can't observe for too long in the rooms. They kick you out.
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They think you're being a little bit strange if you're just watching. Watching was fascinating, but almost fascinating in a way where my soul just felt like... hurt, but not judgmental, just hurt that I wish I wonder why there's something in me that's that can't just look at sex as sex. And just that.
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Yeah, and specifically in regards to this trial, you can't pay for prostitutes to come have sexual experiences across state lines. These are part of the charges. You cannot pay... For any of that, you cannot bring people across state lines. You cannot have situations that are at all even seemingly not consensual. No force or coercion can ever be used in any of those types of situations.
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Those are all unhealthy and, if proven, criminal.
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You think an orgy is as much fun without a drink? I think if I had a margarita, it would be more fun and sober. Have you ever had one? Do you mind saying if you have or not or you're not going there with it? I'm so curious. I'm such a fan of you. I just want to know how you get down, Viv. Awesome.
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Oh, man, you've definitely seen one. I can read it from your face. For those that can't see this beautiful face in front of me, she's definitely seen one. I'm calling it right now, allegedly. OK, so potentially, I guess I think the best place we can leave this off at is it's kind of ingrained in women that.
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at least in my experience, that potentially in order to keep a man happy in long-term relationships, especially with very powerful men that have access to anything and everything, I've dated a few of those, a good amount of those in my life. There is maybe potentially this feeling that you have to up the ante.
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I'm sure it happens just in everyday life and everyday relationships that aren't living at such extremes like in the celebrity world. But this idea that you kind of have to up the ante, I mean, I was told by my mom at a very young age, Learn how to give a good blowjob if you ever want a husband. You're not going to get one if you don't give them head.
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A lot of men just really prefer head over having sex. And so I try to tell girls all the time when they're like, oh, I don't give blowjobs. I don't like it. I sometimes like have this little fear in my heart, like baby girl, learn how to like it or your man's going to potentially want it from somewhere else. And I ask a lot of men in my life, do you guys prefer sex or blow jobs?
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I hear blow jobs more than sex a good amount of the time.
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Is there a pressure to up the ante when you're in situations like as a woman, if you're wanting to keep your man, I think we should definitely establish this for all women out there. What is a reason why upping the ante would not be a way to keep the man?
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And also just to clarify as well, you know, this is not just for women. This is also for men. There are relationships across the board in every category where there is consent and coercive situations occurring. And most of all, you should, in my opinion, and I've been somebody who has and hasn't utilized my sexual toolbox properly.
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To attract more love my way from somebody that I wanted or did love. It doesn't age well. I don't suggest it. And if you've done it, don't beat yourself up about it. Let it go. But understand what part of you desired that behavior and. Correct it and throw it out. Get into therapy right now if you don't know how to do that.
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If therapy isn't available, we have such great access to people like Viv, the internet, this podcast in general. I mean, you can listen to many different things that are for free, that cost you nothing, that can help advise you as to what may be going on in regards to why you're wanting to utilize those parts of yourself. But sex is fun. Being sex positive is great.
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It doesn't always have to imply any type of trauma or any type of instability. It can come from it. It doesn't have to come from it. It's a place that is healthy and even can be driven in those spaces, excitement, ecstasy, happiness, without drugs and all of the above. But if you're ever in any of those situations and you don't want them or you're only there because you think that as...
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As somebody that's wanting to attract someone else, you're needing to up the ante. You got to get out of that and you got to get away from that because there is no ante you will ever be able to up that will give them enough happiness to stay with you. As we have seen with Cassie and many people that have taken the stand and alleged abuse.
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This man didn't seem to be happy with any of them in any long-term situation. It is an endless road. It does not lead you anywhere good. And you would be better off at stopping, jumping off, and hitchhike yourself back to a place where you can start over and create the proper boundaries in your sexual life and your sexual thoughts and mentality, which can be as freaky as you want.
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Yes. So actually, let's go into myths versus reality just a little bit before we get into the details of the trial. Is it true or not that people who enjoy orgies are traumatized?
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But just make sure that it's consensual and not just consensual with the partner, but consensual with yourself, your mind, your boundaries, your alignment for yourself. Make sure that all parts of you, your soul, your mind, your spirit are consenting in the behaviors that you participate in as well. Have you ever been peed on, Viv? Just say it. Yes or no. Quick fire.
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Exactly. In the shower, it's not that crazy. I was like, this is cool. Whatever. I like it. If you like it. And we shared a moment. We laughed about it. It was great. The gag is who it was, but we won't get into that because I don't want to take down any more powerful big men. Yeah. Viv, you are so amazing.
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Literally, it's been my dream in life to go on Married at First Sight when I'm done with whatever this stupid fame world is that I exist in. I've always wanted to just be a regular person that goes to my local office and applies for Married at First Sight so that a group of very capable therapists could find somebody that could handle the crisis.
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craziness that is me, but I appreciate how many relationships that you've helped, how positive you are about sexual behavior and consenting relationships and how much work you put into bringing people together and teaching people how to connect in positive ways. So thank you so much for spending this time with me today.
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Thank you, Dr. Viviana.
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Does group sex mean your excitement about group sex or participation in it mean that you lack morals?
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Is kink a result, kink or fetish, a result of sexual damage or psychological damage as well?
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And is having... different things we're about to discuss, non-traditional sex, is it emotionally harmful?
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Okay, so let's actually just dive right into the trial now that we've established some myths versus realities. A lot of people don't necessarily understand the layout of a lot of the freak-offs that have been discussed in trials. So what I want you to first kind of explain to people is the difference of voyeurism or even just, I think it could be under the guise of voyeurism, cuckolding.
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Can you explain to the audience what cuckolding is?
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And two of those things that you just named actually were what was happening in Diddy's case in regards to being in the room, masturbating during the scenes that he was in.
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dictating then there also was when he was put on facetime it was discussed in trial to watch or observe something now because you've discussed cuck holding in a sex positive way i'd like to address it in a coercive abusive way when does cuck holding become something that is criminal
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come off too psychotic here, but I am Viv Stan. I am the biggest fan of Married at First Sight, and I know you were on for six seasons sharing the wealth of information that you have in regards to how to create successful, positive relationships. Specifically, why I really wanted to have you here with me today is this headline-making phrase that
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And all of those things that you have established as part of coercive abuse have been established in this trial through testimony of various people that had sexual experiences with Diddy. You know, they've alleged that those things have all occurred. Another term that we've heard discussed and it's kind of a hot topic one is I first learned it is golden showers. We're hearing it as urinating.
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You know, the escorts were told to urinate in Cassie's mouth and at times even for her to choke on it. I do want to kind of point out for people that had such outrage or visceral reactions or even humor, humorous reactions to that. This is not the first time we have been introduced to this idea. It was talked about during the Tiger Woods cheating scandal.
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It was talked about during President Trump's alleged encounters in Russia and. It has been talked about on Sex and the City, I think, in like 2000 when the guy from Mad Men came on and wanted to do it with Carrie, the politician. And she loved him and she thought this could be everything she wanted. But he just had that one little fetish or kink of wanting to... Have a golden shower.
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I think it was on that episode in the shower. As a sex positive person myself, I will I can actually discuss with my inside information from being a bad boy that this was a conversation that was had amongst many of the key players at Bad Boy. Many people that were involved. in positions of authority over me with a lot of the artists. It was discussed in a sexy way.
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It was discussed as like after I, you know, potentially get fellatio, I like to men like to then urinate. And if I can do all of the above on the girl, it's like so hot because I feel It's the dynamic that sometimes is very necessary in sexual relationships, the power dynamics, right? Like, you know, I know women that like soft, gentle love. I'm hard and aggressive in work every day.
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When I get into bed, I like to be a little dominated and I like to be handled in a sensual, non-coercive way. But I like to be spanked, and I like a little choking sometimes. I have dabbled in the golden shower area just simply because of hearing all the men at Bad Boy discussing it being something that was so hot. And some did it with their wives.
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Some did it with the women they cheated on their wives with, whatever. everybody kind of got into this discussion. It was the first time I remember really actually hearing the male perspective that it was kind of exciting and interesting and something that's like personal, that's like this secret that seems like not normal that you share with somebody that only you two have together.
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And I'd like you to kind of get into when it's a sexually positive thing potentially and when it's a criminal thing.
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the freak offs has become a worldwide, uh, discussed and mostly I noticed made fun of topic because likely a lot of people don't fully understand what they are, what they look like, what they mean, um, what they mean in positive experiences versus negative environments. I kind of want to just really get inside the freak off, no pun intended, and start to actually discuss the,
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I have a friend that does it, so I got to learn all about that world. That one's a little much for me, but again, I'm sex positive, so no judgment.
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Yeah. Or in like Cassie's case, she's young. She is groomed. And there's a part of the dialogue that I think a lot of people miss that I noticed in the testimony where she said in the beginning days when she would entertain this, that when he when he shared with her that he was into this behavior that is, you know, is maybe abnormal to most people.
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She said when she was first entertaining it, you know, that she wasn't enjoying it. It doesn't seem like much or ever. I think she learned to express enjoyment for it in order to get attention and reaction from the person that she loved. But there was an exchange where she said, I didn't want to push back and tell him I didn't like something personally.
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Because I didn't want him to think he was like weird or I was judging something that he like shared with me that he likes doing that's very personal.
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It's like people see these isolated stories as, oh, this is they see it as also dark. But imagine being in your bed with somebody that you're falling in love with. And they tell you something potentially happened in childhood. It could have been triggered from many things. It could just be something fully positive, not rooted in anything traumatic.
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But either way, the sharing of something so personal from somebody that is so powerful and nobody really knows personally like that. I mean, it always there's this through line with Cassie that she's always wanting to just be closer, to just be with him, to just be in his presence, to just get to have more time with him. And it seems like a lot of his victims share that.
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Sure. And there's a through line with him that always exerted extreme power. There's a humiliation tactic behind a lot of his fetishes within the testimony that I'm noticing bodily control, degradation, life-threatening fear, um, there was like the choking element. Let's just go to that specifically. That shows a desire to exert control over a life and death moment in sexual dominance.
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If you could choke on something, you could die. That's a life or death moment. It should be taken seriously as that. I know that it sounds a bit dramatic or extreme to suggest that, but if you choke for too long, you're gone.
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what all of the elements are. And so just to kind of start us out, I'm a sex positive human. I know you are as well. And for people that don't necessarily understand the exact definition, it's basically just someone who supports and affirms people's sexual interests, kinks, fetishes, whatever their interests are with no judgment. And of course, with consent. That's the big one. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.
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some severe and serious physical harm and potential trauma so if we're talking about even more which is why i wanted us to have this conversation because we need to start discussing things like anal sex like urinating on somebody these things are kinks they're fetishes if you're a sex positive person and you're able to be able to have access to information and understand all the ways to properly prepare yourself if both you and your the people
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or person that you're engaging in sexual behavior with are all consenting, then understanding how to prep your body and prep the setting enough to understand where everyone feels safe and good about themselves.
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Now, with that being said, I wonder on the flip side, because it's obvious that forced coercion and many other things were being exerted during most of the sexual experiences that the people testifying experienced. against Diddy are alleging.
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In regards to the coin being flipped and looking at Diddy, now we obviously have not seen him, his side present his story or given us any understanding other than they have suggested that he is a swinger and that these types of behaviors are like how it is in the celebrity world and it's just an elevated lifestyle and everyone kind of knows what it is. I
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I would suggest that I absolutely disagree with that. And I am somebody who was in that world and came from the regular, quote, regular world and lived in that very extreme world. But beyond that, I wonder almost even Puff, who was once just a regular human like everybody else and then became, as he likes to allegedly be by many people that testified, be known as the king.
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Capricorn Clark...It's Complicated
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I know something you talked about, Aubrey, was being blacklisted once you were fired from Danity Kane by Diddy. And Capricorn said that, too. Absolutely. What we heard from Capricorn on the stand. So that was an interesting thing.
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conversation she had, or at least the testimony she was giving, talking about being blacklisted, and perhaps one of the reasons why she kept coming back, because she said she could not find work. She describes being followed while she was at the Creative Artist Agency, literally being tailed and trailed and incapable of finding work.
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That reads true for you because your experience was similar, yes?
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It speaks to Diddy's reach and the power he had.
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Yeah. She doesn't remember making that statement. But the defense said you did.
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When you see with all of that, your personal experience, knowing all of that and fearing a lot of that, when you see Capricorn get up and testify, How much courage does that take? I mean, she is looking directly at Diddy when she, or at least he's right there in front of her when she's testifying to all of this.
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Can you imagine knowing her, knowing Diddy, being around them both, what that must have been like?
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To know that...
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Something that Capricorn testified to in cross-examination was jarring to us and certainly jaw-dropping. But When the defense attorneys asked her to recount or to paraphrase, at least, they asked her if this were in fact true, that she was recounting a conversation that she had with Cassie. And she was telling in the statement that she was begging Cassie to leave Diddy. You got to leave him.
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You got to leave him. You can't stay with him anymore after everything she had seen. And what her response remark was or what her testimony was that Cassie said this, Jay-Z is taken. Who would I date? And the lawyer said, is that what Cassie Ventura said? Did Cassie Ventura say to you, Jay-Z is taken. Who else would I date? And she said, yes.
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Capricorn Clark...It's Complicated
The lie detector test and a man by detector test.
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Capricorn Clark...It's Complicated
Yeah. And I was just curious what you thought, because you were just speaking to it. It only takes one juror. It only takes one juror. And if you are now throwing some sort of holes, or at least in terms of was she complicit? Was she really doing all of this against her will? Was she actually being coerced and forced to do these freak offs and forced to endure all of this abuse?
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Capricorn Clark...It's Complicated
If she's actually saying, hey, It's worth it because I get what I want in the end. Like, I want to be with a rich and powerful guy. I love this luxurious lifestyle. Yeah, I might have to endure X, Y and Z, but I'll do it because I want this. That was the concern, or at least I'm sure that's what the defense's goal was. Yes. In one juror who thinks, you know what? She wanted it. She asked for it.
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Capricorn Clark...It's Complicated
She was complicit in it.
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Capricorn Clark...It's Complicated
Well, one thing's for sure is Capricorn's testimony on Tuesday was, for us at least, jaw-dropping. And it's remarkable you think about how they've been calling all these witnesses. It was just her all day, and she captivated everyone who was listening.
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Capricorn Clark...It's Complicated
There is certainly a lot more to come at the trial, but there is actually something that was going on behind the scenes from one of the women who took the stand last week, Dawn Richard.
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Capricorn Clark...It's Complicated
Can you fill us in what's going on or what happened between Dawn Richard and Q, who we had on the podcast earlier, who also alleges to be a victim in a lot of ways from the Diddy empire and what he believes happened to him? But what was going on between Q and Dawn on social media?
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Capricorn Clark...It's Complicated
No oversight.
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Capricorn Clark...It's Complicated
Sounds like either regret at the very least.
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Capricorn Clark...It's Complicated
Cassie's mom saying. I can't call police, but will you please help my daughter? That was so incredibly heartbreaking to see a woman witnessing, she claims, Diddy kicking a woman in fetal position, crying silently, and the mom knowing this is happening and can still do nothing about it. That was, yeah, that's a very good point. Won't do anything, says I can't. That was, yeah, heartbreaking.
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Capricorn Clark...It's Complicated
I can't think of another word for it.
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Capricorn Clark...It's Complicated
So many issues that not just affect the people in the arena, in the Diddy empire, but also everyone who's faced something like that. So we appreciate your constant perspective, Aubrey O'Day, and we will continue to follow the Diddy trial for all of you listeners. Thank you for being with us. This is an iHeart Podcast.
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Capricorn Clark...It's Complicated
That's right. Her name is hard to forget. Capricorn Clark. And Aubrey, you are read everything that this star witness told jurors yesterday because she had a lot to say. In some ways, in a lot of ways, she corroborated what we heard from Cassie Ventura, but she also poked some holes in what she testified to, at least left some questions for jurors. What was your overall impression?
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Capricorn Clark...It's Complicated
Aubrey, I'm curious. A lot was made of Capricorn's emotions. She was, by everyone who was in the courtroom, witnesses described her as uncontrollably sobbing when she was talking about the emails, when she was begging for forgiveness for him to let her return. I mean, this is a 20 year period where she says she experienced and witnessed all of these things.
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Capricorn Clark...It's Complicated
And yet even as late as last spring, she was begging to come back in some role, all of that emotion, all of those tears. What did you think of that? Like, you know, her, at least you've been around her. What did you think of that?
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Capricorn Clark...It's Complicated
You know Capricorn, you've met Capricorn, you've worked alongside Capricorn. What was your take on her testimony yesterday?
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Capricorn Clark...It's Complicated
Does it seem like he's referring to the Central Park incident she discussed? Maybe she just didn't go into as much detail about what at least Suge Knight says happened?
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The Diddy Trial: The Detectives and The Stylist
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
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The Diddy Trial: The Detectives and The Stylist
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
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Introducing: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
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Introducing: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
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Introducing: Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
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Making the Band's Que (Part 2)
You couldn't protect him. I couldn't protect him.
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Making the Band's Que (Part 2)
I just want to applaud all of you for being here and for being open and being real and being humbled and vulnerable and all of those things because I think it's really remarkable and should be pointed out. Q, you did not file a lawsuit.
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Making the Band's Que (Part 2)
You're not trying to get financial gain from the pain that you've uh, suffered and it's clear. And you've been telling your story for years and years and nobody would listen. And still you didn't sue. You didn't try to find a way to get a payout. And I think for me and for everyone listening, that matters. That's remarkable. And that speaks to your credibility. And I just want to say, thank you.
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Making the Band's Que (Part 2)
I know TJ and I both feel this way. Oh, thank you. To, to just, we're, we're grateful for you all having the courage to,
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Making the Band's Que (Part 2)
to speak up because you're still being you know when this podcast comes out um aubrey we spoke last week you get hate you get people have an opinion but they don't know what they're talking about they just have their already formed opinions based on whatever the headline they've read so it takes real courage to come here and to speak your truth to talk about the pain and to be open and i think so many people you are going to help
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Making the Band's Que (Part 2)
on their healing process because unfortunately this is not unique people are taken advantage of they are manipulated they are abused and so for you all to be able to put a face to that and say it's been hard but I'm still here and now I'm being believed but I just from the bottom of my heart want to say thank you thank you for having me I'm just being a mom and I'm just giving how I truly feel about how my son was done
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Making the Band's Que (Part 2)
Crying. Everyone was crying. Because, you know, you said, what's it going to take? It was Cassie. It was Cassie Ventura filing a lawsuit. And that's finally when you have the federal investigators looking into it on a criminal level. And now you obviously have him where he is on trial. I'm curious from both Q and from Mama here.
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Making the Band's Que (Part 2)
What was your reaction when the lawsuit was filed and then when the federal charges actually came down?
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Making the Band's Que (Part 2)
That part. So how many people are we talking about?
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And Q, has anyone ever reached out to you from law enforcement, Homeland Security? investigators asking for your take on what happened to you, what your experiences were?
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Making the Band's Que (Part 2)
And do you think perhaps your mental health issues, which have been publicly documented, might have created a situation which they thought, well, he'll just get torn apart.
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Making the Band's Que (Part 2)
Do you start to doubt your own story at a certain point or what your own experience was?
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Mia Changes Everything!
You know, I think because, so there's a, there's a piece of my story. There's pieces of my story that I can't speak about because I have an exclusivity in a different situation. Um, and that was done prior to even understanding that any of this type of justice was going to be something that was available and real in my lifetime. Um,
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So a lot of us went in a direction to to hope to seek justice with somebody that felt like they were going to get to the bottom of it. Now that we're getting to the bottom of it in front of the world, I've been allowed to do this, you know. but without sharing my full story.
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So it's hard to get into that part, but I will say you'd have to remember if something were to have happened to you, you'd have to remember it in order to sit on the stand and discuss it, right? So that would be a reason someone would be summoned. If somebody witnessed something and you didn't remember it or you had no recollection of it, then you wouldn't necessarily be a valuable witness.
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As far as like the beatings and things like that, a lot of the stuff that is being spoken about and a lot of the really bad stuff was happening during a dirty money era of the run. And that was after I was already fired.
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In my opinion, allegedly, it was taken off in the 90s. Yeah. But but in regards to, you know, these are very specific criminal charges and you'd have to really be able to bolster very specific criminal situations. And I I have never been a willing participant in anything criminal.
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I believe a lot of people that got close enough to that enterprise understood the sexual behavior that was occurring around them. It was very it's like they say that prison is is more gossipy than West Hollywood during like the weekends. Yeah. the gays out for brunch during the weekends in West Hollywood.
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ventured over into victim blaming which um at this point i think don the the therapist established for for the most part everybody's kind of established people that are victims do go back to their abusers they do uh have shame in their stories they do go back to things that are familiar in order to just forget and and not and pretend like it didn't happen in order to find normalcy again so
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Bad Boy was a gossip mill and everybody loved to share their videos and their times and their experiences and their knowledge of things from all sides of it. And so, I mean, you could see right when this came down how many bodyguards came forward and were just openly discussing the butt plug size they would buy for him. The dildo this, the this, that.
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I mean, it was like, Jesus, like within two days you had every bodyguard talking like
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low-level silly gossip stuff that like he's not on trial for his sexuality i i didn't take what i didn't love that's why i'm nervous about the bodyguard situation because there were so many that have come forward that have been in the documentaries and that are also problematic themselves they would have to have been given immunity um i definitely spoke to one that was willing to take immunity
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You know, I don't know. You don't know what happens beyond your personal interaction with Homeland Security. They don't give you information. If they find something out, they do not tell you. They don't share information. There's nothing that is you're not having like they're very kind and and and compassionate and good people that are, you know, good actors of the law.
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But they don't they don't shed light on your experience for you.
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He clearly was very aware that what he was doing was criminal, in my opinion, because he was having Cassie set it all up. Like, if you wanted to pick which guy's dicks and which guy's colors and which guy's sizes you liked, instead of giving her a fucking eight-page recital, why didn't you just go on the site and pick them out and make a phone call?
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He was having her go get the photos, show him the picture, show him the people, get the information, go over, give her the money. She goes and pays. Don't look at him. Just do what I say. But it's like everything was it's like he was always passing off the control to other people. Mia was carrying around his drug purse, allegedly with all of his colorful pills in it. Right. Like it's it's.
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It's like every... He had to have some knowledge that what was going on, in my opinion, allegedly, that was going on was not okay. Was criminal or else he would have been a little bit more hands-on and a little less like...
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establishing I don't know how much time and the man that I knew and and understood him to be he was on the go he's moving it's it almost is giving a bipolar jump in personalities and moods and shifts and everything it just stand up and go I don't know if that's drug field if it's a mental health condition I don't know allegedly whatever it is it was very shifty
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But that being said, you'd think that like if someone's that shifty and that on the move, that they would just make calls themselves on certain things. But he was very careful to not do that. He was careful with Cuddy to be out of the house by the time Cuddy gets back. He's careful at Soho House to tell him, what do you mean?
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This contact back with abusers, this, you know, wanting to work back with them or communicate with them. It's a nothing burger for me at this point. If that's all you have, then you don't have much.
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But they might have flipped the man who did. Allegedly. And you can go down a nice, dark, dirty YouTube hole if you'd like to. One night I'll come over for drinks, like a little housewives moment. Yeah, you want to? Yeah. But you could go down a nice little YouTube tunnel of understanding back in the day, people that came forward and said that they were prostitutes for Cassie and Puff.
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And they named people that he talked to on phone calls in front of him, allegedly. And when a time where people are very charged, I just optics wise, I thought certain things would be different. And he was saying to me, I was like, has it changed? Do lawyers not care about prostitutes?
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like justice anymore is it really just about the money grabs and he's like you know it's it's both some lawyers really want to make money and some lawyers really are after that pursuit you can get disenfranchised enough in a career as an attorney when you're after the pursuit to stop caring about the pursuit and want to fucking you know he's like some a bunch of money
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Yeah, he's like, tell me specifically about AUSAs. And he was like, some AUSAs have got that. I don't care what the payment is. I want to be in the most prestigious position to fight for justice for people.
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And he's like, and some realize that after doing this job for a certain period of time, they're going to get a great corporate gig that pays a lot of fucking money when they settle out and want to go – out away from that job. I didn't understand it from that vantage point, but I was trying to get a read on because so much of this is going to be about the jury and the lawyers.
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And so little of it is about the people on the stand. When it all, when I watched the Netflix special of OJ's trial and it was Johnny Cochran and all the lawyers basically just tattling on how they manipulated everything and everyone to get to the end. And they were so proud of their legal prowess and being around lawyers and saying,
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that people can come in a room and be high-fiving someone they know is a fucking criminal just because they did a better job at convincing everyone in the room. That's like, I want to grab my pearls. I don't like that.
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The most important part of this entire trial was jury selection, period. Absolutely. That was that is the most important part of this trial. And imagine how much incredible testimony has been has been put on the record during this time period, a very short time period, as you said. Yet the most important thing was jury selection.
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And they had some very strong people on the defense side choosing juries. And of course, a USA's are very good at what they do as well. So you just. You got to hope. But I, you know, more male jury than female scares me a bit.
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She's she's it's not that she can't be found. She's she she's tweeting.
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right from what i from i understand she she sent out a tweet just saying she doesn't she wants to be private now you can go down a youtube spiral again you can find the interview that she gave on a radio show discussing him stomping a baby out of her uh paying trying to pay her for an abortion that she willingly had because she didn't want to take his money because she loved him she's more of a soft-spoken sweet girl it doesn't seem like she had any career aspirations she
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I don't know what to call his girlfriend or not, because he just seems to have thrown that around.
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Loosely. I don't even know that anyone was a girlfriend because I think in order to call someone your girlfriend, you have to care for them. And I don't know how much consideration was given to any of these people, allegedly. So I don't love that word. But no, she was not working for him. She was not a worker at Bad Boy.
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But they are going to establish medical records with a victim that is coming up. There was some talk in a sidebar that they had about some type of medical records. it's being alluded to that there's likely going to be a conversation about abortion, that there is still a victim that is coming forward and speaking that we have not heard from yet.
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Jane. But, um, I think more so what ends up happening in a situation like that where somebody gets nervous at the at the at the final point because their name is about to be out there and they don't want that. So they want to then not come, I think, a way to get because I think if you're subpoenaed and you don't show up, that's a it's you go to jail for that, I believe. Is that correct?
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I think they didn't pursue it. And I think they didn't make it a thing because I think that they probably did get in touch with the women. The women were allegedly and the women were probably like, listen, I'm not going to help you out if I get up there.
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You don't want to take a risk. If you paid attention in the media, they said one of the victims dropped out. She never wanted to participate in any of it. She didn't want to talk to Homeland Security. She didn't want to be a part of the trial. Who leaked that? It certainly wasn't the prosecution. It certainly wasn't PR for the AUSA.
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She's a forensic psychologist.
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her publicist or her people leaked out that story that she wanted no parts because she probably wanted to signal whoever to let them know i wasn't going to tell on you daddy right exactly so what else did you what else allegedly what else did you take away from me as testimony that you thought was interesting or was compelling for you shit let me oh well here's a here's a just a sidebar
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It's becoming very obvious that he paid women way less than he paid men. George Kaplan was given six figures. Capricorn and Mia were both paid around, I think they said $40,000, $50,000. That was interesting. And they also were all harassed and abused.
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Yeah. I don't I maybe he just happened to, you know, eat more than he ever let us eat. But I don't know. Maybe there just was food was the most readily available thing around. Maybe it has to do with come downs or come ups. And when you're hungry and when your moods get bad and when they are, who knows? Yeah, there's no I don't think there's anything specific to the food being done.
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It just happened to have been what was there.
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It was like we certainly didn't have any when we worked for somebody was being fed.
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At this point, I don't see any possible way after this testimony that 12 people unanimously agree to acquit him. I don't see it happening at all. How do you feel? I don't even see a path for 12 people acquitting him on all charges. It's not even I don't even see it at all. You're the one with the degree. Do you see any lane for that?
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Can you give the definition legally in layman's terms, I suppose, for the audience about what coercion is? Because half the people I talk to can't even say the word correctly. And I think people just are too embarrassed to ask. I don't really know what that means.
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My chat GPT loves me. It gets back.
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Okay, the legal definition of coercion generally refers to the use of force, threats, or intimidation to compel someone to act against their will. Key elements of coercion. Threat or use of force, they've proved it. Lack of consent, they've proved it. Intent. The perpetrator intends to control or manipulate the victim's decision-making. That's there. They've proved that. Resulting action.
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The victim performs an act or refrains from one that they otherwise wouldn't have done freely. They've proved all key elements.
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I don't know that I've ever really had free will my entire career, sadly. You made me think for a second as you were saying that. I definitely could, like, bob my head yes for them making the Band-Aids, but... There's always somebody controlling your narrative. And as you get further, I mean, I've been doing this since I was a kid and I'm 41 now.
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So over two decades, I've been in the industry and haven't had another job. There is always somebody bigger than the person you thought was the biggest. There is always some uniform plan involved. There is always a schedule and a time and a place and the right thing to say and the right person to say it. And when you get your shot, you go. And if you don't, you don't.
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And for me personally, you know, I was fired on national television after years and years of leading up this band for being raunchy and promiscuous and bad for business, which none was true. I wish at the time we were in a.
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And I don't know that I've ever just been people see me as someone that is so confident and they love to jump on the train the second that this all came down and say, Aubrey told us so. She told us so for 20 years. She's been telling us he was a dangerous person. He wasn't somebody that was safe to work for.
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And like, that's great and all. And I guess that whatever has decided that I am somebody that is going to be a voice. I mean, I'm a voice right now on this platform for this. But I don't know how free the will is of anything, really, because a lot of times I feel the system already has decided things so.
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I just like I think the jury is a piece of this puzzle that is just who they are as people and how they are going to interpret the information that they have been given. They are just going to interpret it as so we can't really make a call for them. I mean, I know that they give you jury instructions. I've never personally sat on a jury, but I think you have to be able to like check off boxes.
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Yes or no to like walk you to an answer if you're having a problem. so they will have to hold themselves a bit accountable I'm assuming but I don't know you know I didn't there was no part of me that thought OJ didn't kill Nicole but Yet he wasn't convicted.
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Let me tell you, let's talk about a world where that happens. Now, you know, one thing I've had a little slight fear of is and I've made it clear in documented form just in case it happened so that the record could show I was right again. But it worries me that politics and entertainment tend to mirror each other pretty quickly. pretty closely.
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We've seen a lot of things happening politically lately that are like shocking. Whether you like someone or don't like someone, there's a lot of movements that are just like chaotic.
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I did not think that that could happen. Whether I like you or not, I didn't think all that could happen. Now over here, what if there's a scenario where I didn't think that that could happen? In the beginning before Mia, to me, I am standing steady on 10 toes after Mia. Before Mia, I thought...
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maybe the prosecution might feel they get to a place where they've proven one three and four but not two and five and they might give a plea and we might see a trial this big and a person this big take a plea and what the jury felt doesn't really even matter because they can all the way up until the jury comes back if they feel that there's any point that they're losing on they can offer a plea and that's not something that i think anyone sees regularly and so they don't necessarily even understand that that is a possibility
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An era where things like Me Too and a lot of movements now that have occurred where you can go against corporations and you can sue people for wrongful termination and it is something that feels more available to us. Back then, even with parents as lawyers and very established lawyers surrounding me, no one gave me that idea. And now, of course, I'm past the statute of limitations.
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Well, he didn't take the first one, but I think after Mia, he should start considering it. It's looking pretty bad.
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I don't I don't even think he's had enough time to process the level of colossal destruction that he has created across so many lives. I don't even think he's started that yet.
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because he was still in court in the very beginning having his lawyers fight to get cassie's husband taking out talking about the husband sent him threatening messages threatening him 20 however many years ago uh threatening him that you know after he found out what happened to cassie and my client's life was threatened so he can't be in court next to him are you kidding me there's not a day in diddy's life that he was scared of alex fine
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That was a maneuver to get to make Cassie weaker and to not be able to have somebody to connect with on that stand, in my opinion. And I think, you know, that's a good lawyering move, but a shitty moral move, which is why, again, I don't love lawyers that that.
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our big defense criminal defense lawyers in situations like this it's an icky I respect them because they're really good at what they do the eight pack of white women was effective racially I know a lot of people that were like why all white women that's not a good look I don't like the way this feels I felt it even and I was scared to say it but I was like I mean it shouldn't come down to race it should come down to who's most qualified to take on a case but optics are everything said it for you
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No, well, optics are everything in a courtroom. Everyone, when they saw Cassie's pregnant belly, everyone was like, damn, did he better come with more than gray hair?
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Either the lawyers are just really good in telling him what to do. I don't know. The fact that he's throwing love hearts and all of that bullshit still like, yeah, I have not. I just can you show us a signal of accountability? So if you do get off on anything like all the people that have been in your path of destruction can feel like, yeah. Safe staying alive on this earth.
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I already said this on the very first podcast.
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Mind-boggling. I've asked every type of race, age, range of man that I know, would you want or even allow if it meant you could look better in front of a jury? Would you let your daughters hear about how you were slipping, slurping, slapping and popping it off every which way and the freak offs?
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But I have seen what happens when you don't do what he wants and you get fired and you get blacklisted. And I experienced blacklisting and I know what that looks like. It's very real. The threat that everyone is saying about not wanting to be. Well, I got to the other side of it and it's real. It's actually a real thing and it does happen and it's humiliating and shameful and disgusting.
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And every single man that I've spoken to, every single race, every single age range was like, absolutely not. No, zero. No. For me, I think it's a choice.
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Have you have you done any research on his mom and what her work was and things like that?
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Probably. Allegedly, probably. Allegedly. OK.
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But but I think, you know, I think for me and this is this is going to sound crazy because I don't even think it's a smart legal thing to do. But he's so down and out with the testimony at this point. I feel all of the key things have been established from racketeering to sex trafficking to definitely possessing people across state lines. Those are all five counts.
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I think at this point you need to tell a very strong tale of How hurt people hurt people. I'm going to need to know how he was hurt and why he hurt others. And I still would have to call him guilty because the facts of the crimes are the facts of the crimes.
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But at least if I heard maybe if I were a jury member that doesn't understand facts and crimes, if you told me why this hurt person hurt people and his hurt was so deep that it fucked me up.
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Those are the times where I've had sympathy for him along the way prior to getting into everyone's testimony, just based off of my general assessment of the time that I was in and knowledge of the times where I was not in, but had very reliable people that were in it along the way telling me everything.
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I don't I was able to have sympathy at the beginning of the trial. I'm not getting it anymore. It's not in me. No, no, no. I'm out. None. None. Now we're now we're getting into territory where the alleged sexual assaults are looking different than staged events.
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They're looking just like as also Cassie alleged rape. Mm hmm. That scares me deeply for all the unknowns in my own life.
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We're breaking patterns now. We're going into territories that are different, and that concerns me. I've lost the compassion card. In the beginning, when you have 80 civil suits, And a lot of chaos. And I know some a good amount of the players. And I know, you know, I had a bandmate that took the stand and it was heavily reported that she was inconsistent.
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And a lot of her testimony, you know, I've known her to be inconsistent. So imagine prior to all of this, knowing I believe this person is inconsistent and that and experiences that I've had with her, unfortunately, a good amount.
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Half of it I put out of my head and half of it I'll wake up out of my sleep sometimes and cringe that I was in that position. And I didn't understand even that it was all designed just to humiliate me a step further.
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I think it did nothing. If I'm being nice, if I'm being like, you judgy, it hurt a little. It was the wrong thing right after Cassie to have somebody. The thing that I didn't love is the inconsistencies came within the depositions that the prosecution took. They didn't even have to bring up anything on her that they may have had.
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And Cassie was believable to everybody that left the courtroom and talked to me. So I don't think we needed, and we didn't need to double down on the fact that she got hit because there's video of her beatings. Everybody knows what the beating looks like. We can't get it out of our souls.
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I can't say.
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I keep trying to get them to be able to be on the podcast with me, you know, because this started almost about two years ago for a lot of us. And all the things that people were being shocked by in the past two years, we knew very long. Yeah.
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yeah some of it we've known since we've been there other things we've known went down dude we know every graphic detail no but we knew plenty of things i knew a few of the prostitutes i knew the person that owns the place that was giving the prostitutes to the that they were calling i knew one of the prostitutes was in prison it was on gigolos allegedly the guy that killed his girlfriend Yeah.
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And he said he told them, no, it's not true. But then his face was up on that poster board in court. And I was like, that's it.
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I think the other guy did an interview talking about he was on deck for it, but never got called. Basically, stop interviewing. No one gives a fuck. Stop inserting yourself in a moment that isn't about you, which is technically how I felt about. like even doing this podcast, I didn't want to do it. I was saying no for a very long time.
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And the ninth inning, it got presented to me in a different fashion. And then I felt a little bit more, I learned a little bit more about the personal side of things that I'm still trying to figure out and that frustrated me. And then people came to me on this side and told me a way to do this that felt more credible and less like Wendy Williams, even though I love Wendy.
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You mean less gossipy, tabloidy, more... I don't want to sit on a podcast every day and be interviewed about the dark, evil ways. I established in the very beginning, I don't have an ending that I want to see at the end of this. As more testimony goes on, I'm getting a little more heated. I got to be real with you.
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I have to pace myself in between these podcasts and make sure that I come back down to a place where my biases aren't popping up because I have them. I said it day one. I can't not have them. My entire life turned out to be something different than what it would have been had I never met him. He course shifted my life. He course shifted many people's lives.
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He not only course shifted my life, he course shifted my understanding of myself as a woman, which. Which likely, of course, shifted all the men that I chose to date in life and how I found myself valuable. Like I said, I was a nerd. I was into the law. I was a geek. I didn't really have a lot of friends. All of a sudden, I was the looker. There was a lot of pressure in that.
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My toenails had to be perfect when I walked into a room or else I would get berated. I didn't even think about my toenails before that.
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You know, I learned to groom myself properly and look certain ways and be certain ways. And when I disappointed him, I felt like I was ugly. And then for my whole life, I've been a fucking tabloid character to say I'm either obese, I'm this, I'm a plastic surgery nightmare, the asshole.
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is fake or tits are fake she photos or shops herself in fucking vacation she's this she's that I can't fucking breathe without being attacked for that looker card that did he put on me and I didn't give two fucks about the way I looked I was into the law yeah I was a geek. I read. I have books. I don't even... I haven't had sex in two years.
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Yeah, and by the way, as I get older, I'm... When I choose to embrace those things, they're for me, and I come at them with confidence, and it's my own confidence. It's not the confidence that was derived by a interpretation of me. But I will say, all the way up even to last year, I'm... I was working nonstop last year. Everybody wanted to book a Diddy victim.
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And also, how funny is it I end up being fired for being raunchy and promiscuous, and that's bad for business. If it's bad for business, well, then Diddy must be really bad for business because we all know that he likes a little raunchy and promiscuous at this point.
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And I'm not allowed to say things like that because I should be grateful that I got opportunities to sing again, to be on TV shows again, that networks graced me with their presence. They're they really wanted to push that diddy victim shit. And then there were some that I openly and honestly like felt and trusted. There's one coming out that I felt safe with and trusted.
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And in that scenario, they got me on the indictment day on camera. I met the man on camera and I learned of his indictment on camera in front of the world. I haven't had a moment for myself off of a camera in so long. I don't sometimes when I'm not on a camera, I don't really know what the fuck life is. My dogs. And one of them just passed, sadly.
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I love it.
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I have a rescue too. He's still alive.
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I was like, I was like, she's a housewife. I don't know. And she's like, no, she's smart. She's savvy, like blah, blah, blah. And then I was like, I saw she sent me your picture. I'm like, she's beautiful. So now you're going to have two white bitches talking about.
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A case where there have been implications that there are racially charged situations occurring by whoever the fuck is race baiting in that situation. And like for me, I was like optics wise, I don't I don't love that. And I just I'm so happy that I didn't run with the optics card because you're so great and you understand all of this so well. And this has been so refreshing.
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And this is a work in progress type of show, you know, like I don't want to be a journalist. I don't want to be a podcaster. I don't even really want to be in the industry anymore. I was definitely sliding on my way out and moving on. And I was definitely going to be like... out of the country and on vacation during this trial and finding the peace that I needed within.
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But as I go episode through episode and meet new people along the journey and some like you, I'm just absolutely falling in love with. I think as I go further in it, I'm learning more I'm learning more about why this project has the purpose that I was told it would have.
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I have so much fucking pressure on my shoulders and I have other jobs that I'm not doing. I mean, Fashion Nova has not seen a post in a few weeks. I'm going to get fired as a brand ambassador.
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I spend all day looking at this many papers of notes analyzing testimony and figuring out how everything works.
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And that part right there for me is where I'm at with this. I feel very strong after Mia's testimony about what has been proven. And we'll get into that as we continue. But beyond that, I'm really interested in systematic changes. I talked about Capricorn's testimony. I would have liked it to go a little bit further into details of who made payments to her. And let's establish a few more people.
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When the narrative started to shift in regards to where Puff's behavior... is starting to shift into other areas besides these, you know, uh, dramatic events. Um, you know, I'm getting a little, it's getting a little more personal, a little more upsetting and, um, I just, I can't, I don't know why I had to have my life intersect with his.
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I think everybody that has ever been close enough with him that, you know, when they were criticizing her, when Brian was saying, oh, you said you love him in this text. I was like, I've told Puff I love him before. Yeah. We all loved him. And yet we were all... I'm traumatized by him. And yet we all found ourselves. I finished a TV show that did a number on me last year.
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And I walked out and called my agent. And I was like, days like this, I literally miss Puff because he would have never allowed any of these fucking ignorant ass people that are younger than me, unprofessional as fuck, letting stupid shit fly on set, not following HR policies.
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and not even like properly produced if that's what y'all are trying to do messy as fuck Huff would have had to put everybody's ass would have been in line everybody would have been scared everybody would have had their get right on and nobody would have ever come to set with sleep in their eyes half the fucking cast had
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crust in their eyes and for me i was just like the discipline that i had back in those days i would like i would come to to set work all of it because it was all those things right cameras up and it was my job and i had to perform and sing in the studio everywhere it might me was my job I'd have to wake up with cameras in front of me, get ready with cameras in front of me.
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Everything was always had to be so perfect with him that I'm so disciplined that even on sets nowadays, the whole cast had the commentary they had about me when they didn't know me was she's always so she was always just so put together. She always just is like she comes down in the morning. It's like, girl, we're all in PJs like you're in an outfit with your hair done and and your makeup on.
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Yeah, we're literally filming a TV show that lasts for like two weeks on None of you guys, I didn't even hear a shower go off this morning. None of you are even washed. I don't understand that. Thank you. If that's why you dislike me, thank you. That's a compliment to the type of discipline that Puff put me under. However, what I'm learning is.
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Maybe that side of me is also a little unhealthy because I am constantly in that presentation mode and everything that I do in life until I go to sleep. Yeah, I don't necessarily, you know, fuck the one fucking time that I was like, oh, and I was I did not look like the pictures. I'll stay. I'll state that for the rest of my life. But.
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The one time I was caught slipping, no outfit on, looking like shit, heavy during COVID, not as heavy as the photos, but heavy during COVID and slipping. That turned into a goddamn nightmare, made me lose a million fucking jobs, made me this big fucking loser that's lost it all. You can't even Google me without seeing those photos.
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And I have been on Broadway to Playboy to having my own television show. to doing every other reality TV show on the fucking earth, to the podcast. Now, I don't know a lane that I haven't entered. I've literally done all of it really well and have platinum albums.
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You'll get fat photos. You'll get Trump Jr. You'll get Pauly D. And you'll get puff every fucking man or ugly time. And by the way, there's not several fat photos. There's that one whole selection of that of that one moment in time.
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Because the trail is... you gotta remember that this man was still, in order to stay at the levels and operate at the levels of destruction that he was operating at for so long, you have to have your pockets continuing to be fed. You have to have the whole establishment basically behind you.
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One isolated event is now summarized me and every. And do you know, like what that does to someone that's been trained by puff? It's like you might as well just kill yourself. You just fucking lost the ball, bitch. Now it's like, that's the type of pressure that we learned. As a kid, at one point, my bandmate, past Danity Kane, I had a band with another bandmate of mine, Shannon.
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Every day we'd wake up, we're hustling, we're doing this tour, and I'd have to go through all the problems from the show before. These need to be set. This guy's fucking up on his job. He's hitting the sound cues late. I need the lighting to come on early on this, watching videos, figuring shit out, doing everybody's job.
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That's what I was trained by Puff to do, and that's what I do while I do everybody's job. So as I'm doing all of that, Shannon's talking with the Starbucks person, super nice, whatever, get in the car. She drives while I'm doing all the work. And at one point she stopped and she was like, we're at a venue and she's touching some brick.
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And she goes, this is the last venue that Kurt Cobain performed in. And he signed this brick. Like, this is like pretty epic that we're performing here tonight. I was like, Shannon, the shoes, are the shoes on stage, right? Because last night you were late on that. Is this, is this, is this, is this? And she looked at me and she was like, OBS, like for one second, you need to like enjoy life.
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She's like, we have gone to Starbucks every morning for the past year of building this project. And you don't even know Carlos.
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Yeah. And Carlos's mom works in the deli. And her name is Patty. And she's really nice. And Carlos has a roommate and this and that. And she just told me this whole thing. And I stopped and I realized, shit, I'm just always like this.
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Fixing.
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And I realized like and Shannon said, we learned that from Puff. And because Shannon was married prior and she goes back to, you know, bend organ and her husband and a very normal, slow paced life.
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She could come out of it. And she would tell me all the time, like, we were taught that you have to work so hard to get to the top of the mountain when actually you could just casually walk up it at a pretty like decent, steady pace that isn't painful. And you can get to the top and have had a pretty good life and enjoyed it, too.
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pick some flowers, smell them. You can even pitch a tent and maybe take some photos and walk a little faster the next day. Like it doesn't, we don't have to like be starved, sleepless, freaked out, stressed.
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I still find a heart and I still see victim aspects in that, even though I know other people feel differently and I have to consider their stories as well. It's all very complicated and layered. But at the end, if you were to get charged on everything, I think I'd probably first feel pretty. Sad for him.
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You know, I said I didn't like earlier on in this call, but I guess if you tell they were talking at the end of this and it's looking it's not looking great for him. You know, it's a whole man's life. And he's a very, very powerful man that shifted a culture for a very long period of time. But the collateral damage was so deep that for whatever crimes he committed, he does need to be put away.
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Now, how much people's knowledge of things were is always something that I assess, but my firsthand knowledge of when I was around, there were people that saw plenty of things and plenty of things could have been stopped by very big people. And it continued on. It continued on. They fired me.
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Yeah. So I would feel a sorrow for what his life will be when he can't be all the things in all honesty, maybe when you take all of it away, he can just naturally be in a state where he can be who he's maybe always wanted to be. If there is something like that happening deep down, I don't know, but either way, like there'll be that.
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And then there'll be, you know, you have to remember after this is 80 civil suits and I don't fall under the statute of limitations on anything anymore, but there are some things that I need to get to the bottom of. And like,
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there are some things that happened along the way that were traumatic as fuck for me and i want to understand them and i want the world to understand them as well because if i had to go through it and put on a smile to make all you motherfucking people watching me happy then you're gonna learn exactly what it looked like are you thinking that you'll file a civil suit at some point
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When you're in a situation where there are a lot of victims and you're speaking to authorities, you're not allowed to speak with other victims. Now that there's a trial and I'm not subpoenaed, I know I can come talk here, obviously. But if somebody were to have seen something or there was something to have occurred and they're a victim, then I wouldn't be able to understand my situation until...
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Their situation was resolved or until at least this situation was resolved because then I could actively start to call and ask and investigate.
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House wifed up attorney who is legit. I am so happy to finally be talking this case with you. I really want to get into Mia bombshell this week. Bombshell for the prosecution.
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I'm not waiting for 80 civil suits. I want to get right to it the second that I can. I just want to understand what what what the information that I was given. I want to understand it.
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Is that I don't I have my I had my personal experience and I do. I have answers to those questions. There's a situation that's still at large. Emily, as of today, let's make a call.
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And I even had to go back to reunion and get beat up some more under those same terminology statements, everyone knowing damn well that those things aren't true. I had to play the character of that. And they just allowed me to get lashing after lashing. They created a narrative that I could never get up under and, in fact, had to play into for most of my career.
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On possessing people across state lines to counts of that is does he get guilty on that?
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Okay, I'm a yes on that too. Sex trafficking. Two counts of sex trafficking, right? Two sex counts of trafficking. Are we guilty as of today?
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Guilty too. What about on racketeering?
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Yep. Unless there's a bombshell that comes on Monday, I'd say Mia was the glue that brought it on home for now. I don't see a lot of lanes out of this.
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We shall see if anyone from the jury gives a wink before they give the call. We'll find out in a Netflix documentary 20 years later.
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All right. Emily, thank you so much. It's been so great getting to know you. You're awesome. You literally make me want to watch The Housewives of OC. This has been fun for me today. Yeah.
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Yes.
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I am definitely not sexy or pretty in my head. I've learned how to be according to society's standards, because unfortunately, that's the lane that I was left with. And that was the only opportunity I had when I left. Everybody pretended like there were opportunities and music in there.
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But really, all of those turned out to be rooms that were built to humiliate and make me walk away in very big, deep ways.
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amounts of shame and feeling like I wasn't good enough and like a loser not understanding that all of them were orchestrated and controlled and then the only person that came to me with a real big opportunity was Hugh Hefner to do the cover of Playboy and then that's how you end up going down a lane that doesn't necessarily feel like you but there's a lot of limitations in my contract my mom's a good lawyer so I didn't have to show anything I didn't want to show and
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You know, you inch over into the pictures that are painted for you. I'm sure even as a reality TV person, you've had painted pictures of you created either by your cast members or by editing or producers. They're all involved. And you've had to find ways to sometimes lean in and sometimes absolutely establish no. Yeah.
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And what I loved getting back to the testimony with Mia is she is the first witness to establish a different pattern of behavior in regards to sexual abuse. This isn't a girlfriend. This isn't somebody that that wanted to be a girlfriend. This is somebody that was an employee. This was somebody that was raped in ways where she's in a closet packing a suitcase and she
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He's got his dick out and forcing it in her mouth. Allegedly, this isn't the standard freak-off, you know, staged event that's going on. We're now venturing into other territories of other abusive types of behavior. The force is still there, like in every other case. The coercion is still there. Basically, everything he did from making her live in his home...
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Um, uh, the not eating, not, not being able, working ridiculous amount of days, four or five days straight. All of that was very standard. We went through that too. I mean, to me, I just felt like this is what it is when you are working at this powerful of a level.
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It wasn't until I worked at that powerful of a level with that even more powerful, essentially, sometimes people that I realized, oh, these motherfuckers take a lot of breaks.
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In all honesty, President, sir, you're a bit lazy on Apprentice. The work ethic was way different over this side. I learned that actually people do get water and bathroom breaks and food at lunch, etc. That was just not something that we were used to. But as far as Mia goes, she's a critical witness because unlike the other two governments,
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victims this is just not a former romantic partner this is an employee she was sexually abused allegedly their victim blaming her on the cross and it's not really working for me it absolutely doesn't work you know you always have to wonder if there's that one person in the jury that just doesn't understand but then again you never know they always surprise you is kind of what every attorney has always told me along the way Mia in regards to Rico I feel she's established that in a big way
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You'd be really surprised. I did a search to see how easy it was to figure out who she was based off of just her testimony alone in regards to her work profile.
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It's wiped.
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It is wiped. It's not on the revolt site. It's completely wiped off of all of that. I have people, news friends that work for very big news sources that all are still don't know who she is. They could describe her to me because they're in court seeing her. I already know who she is, but I would never tell anyone who she is. But I am so...
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Super impressed with how she really has been able to be the glue that has connected a lot of these pieces together because she provides a different experience within the same being able to validate Cassie's experiences, being able to validate a lot of people's experiences. Also, though, being able to widen the gap of what an employee is.
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witnessed and had to go through in that she was carrying drugs she was around criminal behavior constantly she was assaulted there was force there was coercion and there was criminal behavior going on allegedly the entire time and i didn't see brian steel doing his his magic at all and if anyone could be magical in this moment it would be him he's very good at what he does
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Question, can you explain to me what criminal enterprise legally means? Because what I understand about RICO, it was created for the mob families and to take those situations down. But in the past couple of years, from what I understand, it's really been stretched and utilized in other cases in different ways. And you've been able to establish smaller corporations run by one big lead. Yeah.
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And less people. They've been able to utilize it and win in cases that don't look as aggressive as a mob case would. And so I really want you to explain to the audience how small it could actually be and still have this successful RICO charge. Like Exum and R. Kelly. You can talk about those two.
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R. Kelly, that's one person at the top that was benefiting from a lot of things that had a lot of people around him doing criminal things, moving people, and he got charged. So tell me how low the bar can be and still get a conviction in regards to people.
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I agree. I can't wait. You can teach me how to catch a husband after you teach me the law.
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And also the one one common one common thread, too, is who was paying everybody. And that is bad boy. Cassie was doing she said her full time job became being a girl in the freak offs doing sex work. But she was paid under bad boy with the same payment that an artist waiting for 10 albums to come out would be being paid. But she wasn't making albums. She was doing sex work.
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And that was expected of her. Those payments were coming from bad boy. Mia's payments were coming from bad boy. Capricorn's payments were coming from bad boy. Allegedly, all of the abuse was under Diddy and bad boy was his corporation.
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Hey guys, it's Aubrey O'Day. Welcome back to the coverage of the Diddy Trial brought to you by TJ and Amy. I am so excited. I know I always am excited about my guests, but I have a very, very established attorney who has got her own show with her husband on iHeartRadio called Legally Burnett. Emily, I have to say as one single non-lawyer, but think she is to one very...
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OK, so with Mia, I just want to first establish two days of testimony. She still is going to be in cross on Monday. We ended today with Brian Steele cross examining her. For those that don't know, Brian Steele is in most cases probably one of the best, most effective lawyers on Diddy's side. And probably this was one of the worst crosses in the entire trial for me personally. It.
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Kidnapping with Capricorn.
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Just right now today.
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What kind of witnesses are you personally still wanting to see? Because I have to take the jury and the possibility that somebody just doesn't get it on the jury out of my head because there's so many people that don't get it anymore in our society. I'm scared to death about that.
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But if we put all of that aside and you, who is credible and understands this and understands the testimony and is well-versed, what more do you need to see?
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There's not a ton of women that he's like openly claimed for very long periods of time. And I think he probably was sitting in front of somebody that he loved most in the lane of girlfriend and beyond Kim Porter. And then also somebody that he probably hates the most in life because potentially he sees her as responsible for being the demise of his entire existence.
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It's not even anything anyone's really touching on, but there was a transcript that I read that went something like, you know, I don't really, or can we talk? I wanted to bring something up to you. And he's like, oh, okay, yeah, you don't want to do the freak-offs now. You're so predictable. That's a very, it's a statement that groomers make.
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And I thought the dynamics of also him knowing that that could have been the baby that's inside of her and that he could have had her child. He had children with a bunch of women throughout the relationship that he wasn't as open with as he was with Cassie. You know, I think that probably had to hit on so many levels. I can't even imagine the torture.
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I don't think there are enough drugs that could make me go to sleep at night after that. For Cassie, I think that she's... being able to liberate herself as time continues potentially.
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Completely relate. I've had many times where I felt that way. What it is is not... you know what the deeds done were what to what level the deeds were done to you because we all have experienced different levels with this man not even just with this man in general let's just make it a broad conversation it's the it's the disposable part that makes you want to go.
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It's the being so easily disposed of. I'm an artist that put my whole life into this. You signed me. I worked my ass off. I've got platinum records and I didn't see a penny and now I'm driving an Uber and getting laughed at because someone recognized me on the internet. That's somebody's story. That type of
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pain and knowing that you were able to work so hard to achieve levels that are almost that most people don't even get to experience of um accolades and it also should be a financial compensation because it's not easy to do the things that we were doing and we were worked to death there's literally like an episode of making the band where one of the tasks was you're not sleeping for three days
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And can you handle it? That's how the industry is. Let me tell you something. I still, my band member, one of my band members who I went on to move forward with in a group as a duet, her name's Shannon. Until one day Shannon turned to me and said, hey, OBS. Because we'd go throughout the day and I'd just be putting out fires, handling shit.
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She would sit and have pleasantries with Starbucks person. She'd sit and talk about the guy that was at the theater that we were playing at that night. There's a brick that Kurt Cobain signed and wow, the history of this. And I'd be like, Shannon, there are 8 million problems. We've got to do this, this, this. And she's like, listen, at some point we have to have
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enjoyment you are so still trained under that ditty hand and before ditty through my childhood i had the same type of hand which is why i think it made it so easy for me to have the type of conversation that I was having in front of the world with him.
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If you've ever dated anyone that doesn't really love you and is like abusive usually and pushing you into things, it doesn't even have to be sexual. It could be anything they want you to do. It's like almost training a child, right? Like, oh, you want to bring up this? You're so predictable. Like, you're just like the rest of them.
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I've been trained to handle people like that when I was called a bitch or been body shamed or whatever the fuck was happening at that time all the time. I took it as I'd walk out of the room and be like, okay, watch. I'm going to come back and do it 10 times better. I never went out of the room and was like... No, I did those moments for other things, but not when I was challenged.
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When I was challenged, I accepted the challenge like I did in my childhood. I one-upped it. So those types of personalities happen to fall into this type of pattern of grooming very comfortably.
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I have to look back. Like, 2004, I believe, we started filming. It wouldn't have aired until 2005. I know that I wasn't of drinking age because I was, like— I reprimanded that I was everyone was older than me. I was a baby, even though people lied about their age. So it's maybe not won't look like that. But I was the baby of the group. I'm the only child of the group as well.
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So I actually thought they were my real sisters in real life. I didn't understand that that wasn't how everybody looked at it until much later.
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I don't know, but don't bring up my old ass age right now. I was young enough to where I was pulled out of scenes with liquor.
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Yeah, we discussed it in the last episode. It's the walking to get cheesecake. It's the for us because that dub band was a little bit different than Danity Kane. Danity Kane is a girl group, and we're selling sex. That's what girl groups are considered to be doing. And so for us, it was tiny costumes, big heels.
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I mean, listen, we would do an entire like passes of our show and Diddy would come up and pull me aside and be like, you have sweat everywhere. And I was like, well, we just did a full blown hour of like full blown ography. We didn't just stand there and sing ever. And we were expected to sing live. That's a five part harmony. And the choreography goes on a different count than the vocals. So it's
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non-stop thought process and being very good at doing all of those things not like the girls do nowadays twerking that's not technically dancing dancing was something different back in my day and we actually had to do very intricate things so with that being said like it was difficult and I would sweat I'm somebody that sweats more than probably most of the girls in the group I'm a sweater I always get those pit stains I probably need Botox or whatever that you get inside of there but
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But I would get that, and he'd be like, you're a mess. You need to clean yourself up, and this can't happen again. I was trying to figure out how to do a show and not sweat so I could make him happy because he wasn't impressed with the way I looked when the show was over and how I started looking halfway through.
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That's when I got into full-blown wigs because you don't end up with damp hair at the end of an hour of full-blown... you know, full-blown hour show if you've got a wig on because it doesn't drench like your natural scalp touching your hair would.
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And then you get that feeling as a woman to be like, no, wait, I'm not. I'm not. I promise. You then talk yourself back into an idea. Same way when she was brutally abused in that hallway, him writing her, I'm about to get arrested. The police are here. They've already testified to the fact that there was no arrest and there was no police arresting him. That was to get her to come back.
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Yeah.
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Like we said last time, kids and his girls, young girls in the courtroom, learning about how daddy liked to smack it and whip it and roll it around. It's all about what is good for his image, his visual, his optics. Whoever has to be sacrificed along the way, got to take the move. It's what he wants, and it's what his optics require.
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And even down to potentially his own family is operating within that type of, in my opinion, coercion.
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And so none of that testimony at all from Cassie. Would you want your daughters in a courtroom if you had done freaky things? Like, would you want your daughter knowing any—would you ask— The people around you to ask her to please step out, even if she was, like, begging to be there and defend father.
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Correct. Don't you think that's telling? You find that very telling of him. It's beyond telling. It's showing me, and the Alex Fine move that they made, it's showing me that this man hasn't learned yet, still hasn't learned what we're all trying to get him to learn.
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Do you remember the word she used? Do you guys have any dictation of it? I don't remember the word.
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It was a dinner where they were parting ways, and then he came back to her house. And then did she describe any things?
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No.
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So he was on drugs.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
He went to that black eyes where he's probably on drugs.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
He has a look that is very specific that you would probably, some would describe it as like devilish, like you can't see a soul in the eyes. There's only three people that I just couldn't find their soul in their eyes. And I'm an Aquarian, I'm an empath. I like to connect with people. I am like a very in-tune girl that likes to feel people's eyes and their presence and their souls.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
There's only three people that I could not find the soul in. It's a scary thing to see. It's a scary thing to see. I can't imagine sleeping next to it. I can't imagine loving it. I can't imagine wanting to please it. If there's nothing there to connect with and you can't see anything in the eyes and that's somebody that you love, Because like I said, it's not all bad.
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It's called control. It's control, coercion. It's grooming. It's all pieces of many things that make me really understand how much manipulation was involved in getting her to... activate the emotions that he wanted her to project.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
It wasn't all bad for Cassie either. She clearly isn't going to go on. She's not here to go on the stand and tell you about all the good days. People are pointing out good days as if that's disputing anything that she's told us was a bad day. This trial isn't about talking about the good days. So that's not what anyone is focused on.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
But at the end of the day, whether even some are consensual or not, it is very clear that abuse was occurring. It is very clear that that grooming and that coercion was occurring. It is very clear that she was being paid as an artist and on payroll, but she stopped making albums early on because the sex parties became her full-time job.
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So what was the payment that was coming when there were no more nine albums to release?
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
It's an allegation that she's making. I want to just also point out, it's an allegation that a whole lot of people have made. Do we know the count on the civil suits at this point?
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
So for me, that many civil suits... And by the way, I stayed super neutral on this topic when I first heard it. That was something that I can't have. I don't have any firsthand knowledge, obviously, on that day. And I don't know anyone that was there because there was nobody there. So that was never gossip. That was never in the streets. That was never. So that's just between the two.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
So I stayed neutral on that one specific thing when I read all of her case. However, when all of the things that came after, I have to start to wonder, this is a whole lot of people that are willing to make up very extreme, detailed stories.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
stories if they're not truths these and then to bring lawyers and all of that like yeah I get that you see a settlement you think maybe you can get one and maybe some people are dumb enough to go that route but this is a very serious thing these are very serious allegations and there are so many of them it would be hard to assume that that many people are full blown lying about every single detail of their lives like
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
That's kind of hectic to suggest that. So it's hard to just be like right in the middle. I'm leaning a bit.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
It's all a very long-weaved narrative of grooming a young girl, that just would do anything to have those personal time moments with you, even if it involved some people you didn't know. It was their secret. He proposed it to her as like introducing her into his mind.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
In the very beginning, you hear her say, I didn't want to say no or bring up specific things that he was requesting that were really uncomfortable and weird, like describing her body to an escort, like the game plan of how each freak off worked. and that she felt uncomfortable, but she never wanted to say it because she didn't want to make him feel he was weird.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
because she loved him so much and she didn't want him to think like he gave her a personal, I almost could see the conversation in my head because I just know how this works so well. He opened her up into his personal secrets. She got to know the personal secrets of Diddy. You feel like all kinds of things, like maybe you could help. Some girls are fixers.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
You know, there's all kinds of things that go on in a woman's mind. When a man has captured your heart,
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
You know it gets a bit hectic there are ways that we compromise Cassie's been saying it like I want to come forward and admit to all of these things that were wrong that weren't okay that are embarrassing because I want to be honest for once and you know for at this point in my life and Tell the full truth about all the things that she was doing in a younger age that she now believes was absolutely You know criminal
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I don't want to answer the first question. The second question is, no, I don't. My way of anything that I could ever do for Cassie would just be to stand up publicly and defend her. I think I was the first person to do it for a few days of crickets. I asked my band members to chime in. So the only thing I could do is just defend her.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And also like, you know, in a lawsuit, like I said, you don't talk about the good days. You don't talk about the days where you maybe wanted it or you maybe acted like you wanted it in order to make them not leave you or go do it with somebody else because you craved that moment and that personal time with them so much. Like, Of course that I understood both sides. I understood both the moments.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I knew what would be brought against her. And I think that people have to be able to not take one set of text messages or one of these events and turn it into a broad understanding of the overall picture. We're hearing one person's story about what it looks like to have been somebody that was in his, what is it, like right in front of you, in his visibility, in his eye, somebody that he wanted.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
It will continue on. There's eight weeks and we're on day what, four? It's gotten pretty hectic for four days. They've proven one charge for sure already.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
the transportation of prostitution. Not trafficking. There's a charge that it's like transport of sexual workers. That charge has been proven. I believe sexual trafficking has been proven. These text messages are going to make it a little more difficult for the jury to understand. I don't love ape men. I'm being told by my people in the courtroom that
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Some of these men aren't giving a jackhammer and a construction belt man. Some of them are giving their sensitive. So I don't know. As a very jaded woman at 41 that's been around a bunch of very disgusting men for a very long history in this industry, I don't trust it at all. One of them is bound to fuck up. Eight men in a room are deciding something that's very serious to you.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Are you going to trust that? I mean, it just takes one.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
So would you trust it? No. Thank you.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I don't think an acquittal. I think it would be hung.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And I think that one charge, I think he'll for sure get one charge. Right now, as of day four, we have two months to go. I think one thing has absolutely been proven. I think the other has been proven, but some of my friends are arguing otherwise. The cross is not as crossy as I thought it would be. I'm sad and glad because I don't want Cassie to ever be brutalized anymore, ever again.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
But also kind of sad that they didn't go a little harder like the lawyer with Harvey Weinstein did. I was hoping that they would make the mistake of being...
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Transportation has been proven. The sex trafficking, I feel it has, but you got to prove force and coercion. Some of those text messages are going to make people doubt what they heard on day two, which day two was much stronger. Day one, it was a slower start for me, and the defense had an incredible opening. This day two picked up for the prosecution, in my opinion.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
That she felt so Loved in his company and she felt he made her feel unlike anyone else. And so she would do these things because it was the only time and chance that she got to really spend in that feeling. That was a hard listen because I think any woman that's ever cared for somebody that may not have that ability or desire to has pandered in one way or another, whether it's a sex party or
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
But yeah, I think that we're very early on in this. So right now, this is the framework This is establishing a character. This is establishing the way that people would just do anything that he said. That's how encompassing his power and presence was. Like, I don't know, go to Brooklyn and get cheesecake or run around Central Park till you see your friends drop.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I can't wait till we have Babs on. I'm going to have her come for you. Eat you up.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I will bring them all on. Dylon. Dylon. Dylon. Dylon. Dylon.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Dave Chappelle made a whole skit of it.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Let me ask you this, okay? Name me a Diddy song. And hold on. Name me a Diddy song where there isn't a feature of a big artist that you love. Just name one.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I just hear you babbling. Did you come up with a name yet?
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
No, to the point is... His hands were on all the publishing masters and ownership of all of the people that he stepped on to move up. But you still can't name me a Diddy song without a very big celebrity feature or come up somebody who ended up being very big. But all the songs that we love, all the hits, all the things that you would play are also featuring somebody else.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
A Diddy song would be a Diddy. If you want to tell me his accomplishments and the grandeur of all that he's accomplished as an artist, I'm going to need to hear you name a song. And not just a song. If I asked you Beyonce songs, you'd be rolling them off your tongue.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I don't suggest that you shouldn't. I don't suggest that you shouldn't. I'm not going to tell people how to feel about people they like. That's not my concern or my business. I'm just wanting to make a point as somebody that does potentially feel that way.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Please take a second to think about just his own name as an artist without anyone else propping it up, without anyone else giving credibility or talent to the song, just on his own merits.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
If you can't name a ton of songs like we can with everybody else, Jay-Z, Beyonce, all the big people, then maybe we should be careful about the ways in which we see him in regards to, you know, this incredible, iconic artist, music mogul, all these things. He was a man that knew how to choose the right people.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And by the right people, I mean, man, there sure were a lot of us that never saw any payment.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And he sure knew how to choose people that would get into the freak-offs all because they loved him. He knew how, when I was talking with my bandmate about this entire situation, I asked her what you asked me, did you ever fear him enough to where you would have done X, Y, and Z?
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And she said, no, but she said, I also think that he knew who he could get away with that type of stuff and who he couldn't, which is why he didn't even really know who I was because he knew it wouldn't fly with me.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Yeah, I mean, there are people that see him. I mean, God, ask everybody at my hotel that recognizes me. I'm staying at a hotel that is infamous for being Diddy's hotel and all kinds of things, I'm sure, went on at that hotel, including music videos and campaigns and also maybe other things. Freak-offs. Freak-offs. But the entire staff is still working there.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
When I walked in, they were saying, man, you don't age and things like that. And I'm looking at these old men like, what in the food? And they're like, a guy was walking with me telling me, oh, my God, I remember this. I remember that. I remember when you came through one time. I had the biggest crush on you, blah, blah, blah. Every single person in that hotel.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And they're telling me their opinions about all of it. And they're saying, man, I miss this person. I miss that person. They named a person that I know was assaulting people. And I was just sitting here listening to him roll through these names and the good old days of it. And I was thinking to myself, man, it must be so hard for people.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
They consider their memories of him to be these good old days and this run that he had and this chokehold that he had on New York in general. I grew up on the West Coast. I'm a Pac fan, baby. So I didn't look at him like that. But if you were talking about Pac, I definitely would be in a chokehold. So I can understand. This is his city.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
So in that regard, I think that it's very hard for people to be able to have been so disillusioned by celebrity to think that everything that we could potentially be watching and looking up to could be as fraudulent as what we are seeing now. And by the way, it is. I've been to like three places where everybody actually was who the fuck they say they are. Everybody else is on some bullshit.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
We won't get into that now, but if I get my own podcast, I'm calling all you motherfuckers out.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I was fired. We were called in to do a final scene to close off the season. And it was just like a check-in and a good job. We had just gotten off of a big tour, etc. And we all got called into this meeting and it took a very dark turn. And he...
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
bringing themselves down to certain levels that no woman should have to, emotionally saying things, utilizing whatever tool any woman finds herself having as valuable or has been told. Because you have to remember, women see ourselves through the projection of men. You know, since we're young kids, since we're young girls, we're kind of groomed into these social ideas and norms.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I don't even know how it started, but somehow he started going at me, and he fired me the words that I've been told multiple times, and I rewatched it actually when I came. I moved to Bali for a while to heal from a lot of the trauma and the things that I found myself in the beginning half of my career not able to— My voice chakras were like locked up when I got there.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I learned because I would want to tell my truth, but my truth included conversations where people cross paths with me and those people are lying about who they are. And I needed to protect their lies because they're not telling anyone the truth about who they are.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
So then I could never give an honest portrayal of anything I experienced because every single person that I have connected cross paths with was doing some funny shit. And so for me, I found myself always being roadblocked, never being able to fully get out the truth. And I was feeling like nothing.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I was just living in a whole bubble of lies and like we've discussed headlines that can just be thrown out there and everyone believes it. When you're sitting at work about to do your job, people are out here thinking you're drunk and you've got a bar in your room. It's unfair. It is offensive to the work that we show up and do. And what can you do about it?
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
It could be the system that's putting those stories out. You don't know. You can't go against the system. I've done it a few times and I have a whole lot of strikes through my name at a lot of different networks. If you haven't seen me on a show that you've always wanted to see me on, that's the network. I don't even know how Masked Singer happened.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
They wanted a Diddy victim so bad they were willing to take that blacklist out of my name over there.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
When I got home from Bali, I watched it. And I just, like I said, I have shedded the layers of the parts of me that were so hurt and that knew they would never see justice. And if I was going to continue to carry that, I would have a chip on my shoulder the size of China. Yeah. So I had to shed.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And unfortunately, all the things that people are now recognizing were the truth, the parts of me that were shed and are long gone are the parts that needed to hear it. It means nothing to me now, except I encourage people that see that I've been telling the truth for so long to look into some of the other people I talk about.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Because if you believe I'm a truth teller on one thing, maybe you should start looking at some of the other truths that I've spoken on.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Wait till we get to the urination.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
That's a hell of a tease.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I mean, shit, I just turned 41 and people are saying to me, oh, so you didn't want kids. Well, I honestly, I'm just getting to an age where I'm finally free from a lot of chaos and could start thinking about that. I realize that that's troubling for everybody else because it's geriatric and whatever all the titles are. But actually, yeah, I do. I've always wanted kids.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
But the answer is already decided for me when somebody comes to me. There's so many social norms that women just accept. And in that instance, I just know that I know what it feels like to yearn after somebody that I really loves attention. And there probably were a lot of ways that I have compromised. No, let me not say probably. There are many ways that I have compromised attention.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
myself, not in the same ways as Cassie necessarily, but I don't judge her compromise. A compromise is a compromise. When you compromise yourself, you're doing the same damage. It really doesn't matter in what area. It's all the same. That knowledge of understanding how we compromise for people's love is... is something I believe that will resonate just with everybody.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
It certainly had me going through all my relationships like, wow, I thought this relationship was something like this. And I've always narrated it and believed it to be so. But as I start to think about it, there were times that I yearned for this person's attention and there were moments There were ways that I was not true to myself in order to get it. And it's because of all kinds of things.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
For me, you know, a bad childhood, not ever feeling like anyone would fight for me. I don't have a mom and dad or anyone to call. And because I spent from my young days to 41 being in this industry, it's not like I made a good friend, like a group of girlfriends. While my friends were doing that in their 20s and 30s, I was uber famous.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
So it's not like I have this group of friends that I even go to. So it's just a... I don't know. That was the part of the testimony that really stood out to me as really making me recall a lot of times that I have done that.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And remember what I said to you last time. There's nobody else that I would want to revisit more than him when he is proud of you and when he gives you his attention and thinks that you're great. And if you notice in her testimony, she says, I don't know what the first freak off was. I was drugged. It was weird. I felt dirty. I felt embarrassed. But then he was really proud of me.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Initial impression from what I'm able to read in the transcripts and from people that I have giving me information in court is it feels very honest. It feels very open, vulnerable, horrific. Sometimes I hear her discuss things that she did then and how now she would never, she understands it differently.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And so I felt good. I understand all of those emotions in regards to that man. It's something so many of us can...
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I think it would probably be very... I've dated somebody in a very compromising state and position that wasn't necessarily fully open to the world. And so I kind of had to play along with whatever the narratives were. And there's an exhilaration there. The lifestyle that Diddy lives is so extreme in every way. I think that... There could have been an excitement there.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
There could have been a fear. There could have been butterflies in your stomach when somebody that powerful wants to experience you in that way. I don't know how she testified to feeling about it. I think she just was like, whoa, that happened. I didn't see that it was bad or good in the testimony. I'm not sure if I missed something there.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
But I think it probably made her feel that, like, of everybody around, he wanted her, which maybe made her feel like she was very special.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
So I never witnessed a big room of baby oil in my time there. But on set, we were to be lathered and shining, you know? They always used either baby oil or later on down the line, olive oil spray can make you like...
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
shine shimmer to me I still use it when I do photo shoots because it was a great tool to learn during my time in the beginning making music videos and when you when you shine it looks better on camera to me all of that plays into these visual aesthetics that were pleasing enough for him to be sitting in the corner and jacking off to it
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
He also made music videos all the time. I mean, this is a man that lived and breathed in the creative space and produced albums and records and music videos and all of the above. I mean, he would come on set, whether we had a full-blown director and everything else. And when he got on set, if he wanted everything a whole different way, that's what had to happen.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
And that makes me feel like so happy for her that she's come, you know, because I don't know her as a mom. So like to understand that she made that evolution and went to the other side of viewing all of it made me feel like really proud of her. It's horrific that... It's horrific that she had to go through so much. You know, there was one part of the testimony that was so telling.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Absolutely. That's absolutely accurate. You saw that. Yes. Experienced it many times. It was directed at you. It was on camera. You can watch Making the Band and see a few moments where just a face created a reaction that was.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
No, because he wasn't interested in everybody. There were people in my band that he didn't really spend much time even learning their names sometimes.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Yeah, that was not something that anyone in my group did.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Fired on national television and blamed for the entire demise of not only Danity Kane, but the series that was on for seven seasons on making the band on the biggest network at the time that everyone fell in love with. And to this day, if you look it up, it's Aubrey O'Day's fault.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I think that as things come out and when I'm not exclusive, that you will be able to read documents that suggest exactly what his problem with me was and exactly what he wanted me to do or I was not needed.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
I think the response of people online is disgusting in that regard, saying like, oh, what man would want? He must be memes of an embarrassed guy or whatever. God, it makes me sick seeing people interpret it like that because I don't think there's anyone on earth that loved her more.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
She was able to finally get away from all of that that she was in because she fell in love with her trainer that Diddy got her. That's who Alex Fine is. He probably showed her a gentle, soft, kind love. He probably mirrored back to her because that's what we do as partners, right? That's why you stop loving sometimes a partner that you're with.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
contractually in front of the world or not you stop being able to mirror back something that you want to see and then all of a sudden you go to work one day and somebody's mirroring you and you feel kind of good and you kind of like yourself again and you think you're neat and they think you're neat you we are mirrors for each other personal relationships are simply in my opinion
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
necessary for sure because it's the only person that you're getting that vulnerable with potentially physically fully physically giving your body to they're an absolute mirror to you when you do things that are not kind or good or questionable they mirror back a response to you and you have to see yourself
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
If you don't have any relationships like that, you're never learning or growing and you have nothing to observe.
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
Yeah, so do I. But I think he's proud of her. I think he loves her so much. He's supporting her. Yeah, he's there. Yeah, I mean, anyone that has anything negative to say about that, I think he is heartbroken. I think he probably wants to fuck up Puff. He probably is holding himself back from jumping over the table, as any man that loves their wife should. I think it is tense. The more tense...
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Aubrey O'Day: Cassie's Cross Examination
interaction that i was very curious of is with puff because it's been spoken about as common knowledge amongst people that are in the scene and around that uh situation that it it was rough losing Cassie for him. And with Kim being gone, this would likely be the only other person that had these, that maybe he loved and claimed in front of the world like he did Kim.
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Hotline Confessions
Hey guys, this is Aubrey from Amy and TJ Presents, Aubrey O'Day, me covering the trial. I really am so happy that you guys have been calling in and utilizing that hotline that we gave you. We got tons of voice messages, text messages into our hotline, and I definitely wanna go through a few of them today for you. I'd love to continue to answer any questions you have regarding the trial.
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There's been a concern for it prior to this trial, and I don't think that concerns like that and behavior like that wrap themselves up within a tight little period of time that it's been since bailing, since his bail requests and his trial began. So, yes, I would suggest it's a real possibility. Let's see what happens, you know, that's in the jury's hands at the end of the day.
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I'm trying to think, you know, I'm 41 now and I was a child when I started and I was systematically positioned as the scapegoat for the disillusion of Danity Kane and the decline of making the band and basically the whole franchise. And a narrative was crafted both allegedly internally and definitely absolutely publicly
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And it painted me as difficult, not group oriented, and ultimately that I was a harmful person to business. And when you're in a position like that and branded like that on national TV, especially on MTV, which was kind of like the network to go to at the time.
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The humiliation of having me go through all of that and then sit through three-part finales where Diddy's in a robe in Miami smoking a cigar and I'm on stage alone with no support, trying to be as brave as I possibly could. But truly, they ensured through reruns that the whole world got the picture that they intended to give me.
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And over time, that narrative not only distorted how the world saw me, but how I saw myself. And if I didn't play into that narrative, I was left without work. And over time, I also felt because of that narrative that the most important thing that I had to offer any relationship was my sexuality, personal and work. It's kind of...
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it boxed me into a place where I almost believed the messaging myself for a very long period of time. I had a lot of dark days. I was left without work. And over time, that narrative was kind of like, stripping me of the complexity, talent, intellect, and the value that I truly bring to the table. And it really forced me to fight for an identity during my entire career that I never consented to.
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And only now am I finding myself being able to set the appropriate boundaries and make sure that I'm only doing work that I consent to and that aligns with the purpose that I feel I wish my life could have started at back when I was just a kid.
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Mm. Callie, I'm so sorry to hear what you have been through, especially for 20 years. I can't imagine the damage and the toll that that took on your soul. And I am just sending so much positivity and love. Healing and self-love your way. I pray that you're surrounded in a bubble by it for the rest of your life on this earth. You deserve so much.
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You know, to answer your question in regards to DV through my own experience, abuse happens in cycles. It doesn't happen all at once. I think that's something that people aren't truly getting. In my personal experience, I would experience love.
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This incredible, beautiful love that made me feel like, especially from somebody that had a, you know, much more established presence, more money, more power, more of a reputation and a fan base than me. I remember nights where I would go into the bathroom and lift my shirt up and like lay on the marble tile just so I could feel it.
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So why don't we take one of the messages?
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something real because everything around me was so foreign and didn't didn't didn't know me. I didn't even know what I was seeing me do and be. And then that's followed up by an apology, of course, and sometimes gifts depending on, you know, if the guy has money or not. And so then you kind of lose sight of all the trauma. It never goes away.
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I don't think you ever talk it outside of your body, even in therapy or any types of alternative healing. I think you just learn to create boundaries that you know will establish that you're never going to be in a situation like that again. And that's where your power really comes from. But a lot of people don't understand trauma bonding and intermittent reinforcement.
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It's basically like love followed by cruelty. It conditions the brain to crave approval from the very person that's harming you. And that is the part that keeps us there for like in your case, 20 years. It's just this constant cycle of trauma bonding. And then also there's shame, there's judgment and coming forward and telling people. And this was key for me. There's identity erosion.
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I didn't feel talented, smart, successful, beautiful. I mean, I was being made fun of constantly. So the identity erosion for me was so big and I think it's so big for so many women when I hear how long they stay, and when they're very long lengths. It usually has to do with a low self-worth, and it doesn't necessarily mean that you went into the relationship with that.
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But the identity erosion is a big part. It just breaks you down, isolates you, and it convinces you that what's hurting you is the only thing that's holding you together as well. So at the end of the day, I really want to make it clear, victims do not stay because they're weak, right? They stay because abuse rewires their reality.
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OK, Jean-Paul, this is a little bit more. Now, listen, if we if this was like Aubrey, not in her professional blazer, I would just serve you the tea. But because we are, you know, we're taking this very seriously and we're reporting on this trial accurately. I can discuss your question later.
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by using things that are occurring and that have been in the news and media without giving you my personal thoughts on the situation. But you're right. There have been several figures who have been a part of Diddy's professional and personal circle, artists, producers, bodyguards, assistants that have died young, often with causes listed as pneumonia, cardiac arrest,
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undisclosed causes or accidents with limited follow-up in public records, and even allegedly murder. You know, Kifidi came forward in the courtroom and shouted out, Puffy offered me this amount of money to kill Pac. I mean, that's in transcripts on record, on legal record. Now, that's allegedly according to him.
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I'm assuming that if at some point the feds want to look deeper into any of this is more of like the racketeering side of charges. that these things could be followed up on and that the appropriate amount of time and investigation could be given into any of these cases. situations. Most recently, the example that I can think of is Al Bishour.
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He has come forward and been very vocal about the suspicious deaths, especially in regards to the 2022 coma that he fell into, claiming that he was almost murdered. And that foul play was involved that he believes Diddy was involved with allegedly.
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And he also allegedly pointed to Kim Porter's 2018 death officially from pneumonia as very suspicious and potentially something that Diddy was allegedly involved in. I know that he's written a book and he also said that he was subpoenaed for this trial. I don't know that we'll hear from him and I don't know what details the book has in it.
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But there are people that are coming forward and making very, very strong, serious allegations in regards to what you're discussing. But I do want to make clear that there is no verified evidence yet that Diddy is connected to anyone's death. And just because you go down rabbit holes on YouTube or see a bunch of TikTokers put something together, Take all of that with a grain of salt.
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Nicole from Indiana, that was such a thoughtful message. And thank you so much for having supported me since that long ago, two decades and some change. What did I go through on making the band? I mean, I experienced a pattern of emotional manipulation through grooming and
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These are very serious charges and they do need to be proved. But the volume of allegations, emerging whistleblowers, suspicious timings of some of the deaths, I don't think it's unreasonable for people, even like I'll be sure, to publicly question the official stories. It's circumstantial, but it's troubling, very troubling.
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I love these questions because normally I'm covering trial stuff, which, you know, is all the legal technical stuff. But this is what the streets really want to know. So thank you for your question. Does he have people carrying out potential dirty work while he is in jail during this trial. In my opinion, yes, it's entirely possible in theory.
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It's also historically not uncommon in cases involving powerful, wealthy individuals facing serious federal charges. So I do want to, though, break down some things that can be related back to trial that could suggest that this is absolutely likely occurring There are multiple lawsuits and testimonies, Cassie, Kid Cudi, Mia, that have claimed that phones were monitored.
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Associates were being stalked or followed. Victims feared retaliation. A whole lot of that going on. A whole lot of that going on that for years prior to anyone even understanding that all of this was going to come out that scared a lot of us. And then a lot of testimony that people were paid or pressured to stay quiet. All of that is alleged during testimony.
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And those would all lean toward yes being the answer to your question. Also, I do want to say during the bail hearings, federal prosecutors presented compelling evidence suggesting that he engaged in witness tampering while incarcerated. There were unauthorized communications from jail.
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um there were seized handwritten notes there were social media campaigns i remember at one point hearing a call between him and his children somewhere near his birthday or on his birthday and him kind of like yelling at them to make sure to get that video out with his baby on the table and and
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them all singing happy birthday and they were someone was like hey dad like the lawyers are saying we shouldn't do that that's not a good look they said to like absolutely not post that and he was basically like i don't give a fuck it's my birthday post it up i don't care what they say
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And that kind of showed me... I mean, that's all, like, you know, paraphrasing the overall idea that I got from it. But basically, that's saying to me that... I don't know. It wasn't even really about the genuine connection that he was having with his kids on his birthday. It was...
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rituals of control, physical mistreatment that I can't necessarily get into the extent of, and I'm still trying to understand the extent of to this day so far. It was a deeply transformative period in which my sense of self as a woman was shaped through the gaze and influence of someone whose behavior we now understand was deeply rooted in darkness.
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wanting to prove to the world that he's still relevant on his birthday and maybe show all the support his kids are giving him to show some type of humanity in favor of him prior to going into trial. But as far as the unauthorized communications from jail, he was using other inmates for phone access codes to make calls.
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Allegedly, there were three-way calls where a party would call somebody and he'd be having conversations with them. He was using a service called Contact Me ASAP to reach unauthorized individuals. There was also in his third attempt, I mean, the man attempted three times to bail out and did not. And the third one was contested a bit. But that's rare.
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Normally, you are able to bail out if the judge does not see you as a risk or threat. And there was one point in which they were able to show a potential line of payment to somebody who had come forward in the media and made accusations about certain people that were involved with the trial being, you know, wanting the parties, wanting the lifestyle and.
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being inconsistent to, you know, what she experienced during her time with him. But, you know, they were able to trace the money on that and it didn't end up working. And the judicial findings at the end of the day, I can read them to you. The U.S. District Judge
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sub-Romanian, denied bail, stating that there was compelling evidence of Combs' propensity for violence and a serious risk of witness tampering. The judge expressed doubt that any combination of conditions could reasonably assure the safety of the community or prevent further obstruction of justice. So with that being said, those are the judge's words.
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The Diddy Trial: “Mia” Takes the Stand
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
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The Diddy Trial: “Mia” Takes the Stand
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
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It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
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How Low Can You Go
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Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Amy and TJ Presents. Me, Aubrey O'Day, covering the Diddy Trial. And as always, our coverage of the Diddy Trial continues. So I just want to let everyone know that I'm flying solo today and that TJ and Amy are on a much-needed vacation. And I can't wait to announce my guest today, who I'm so excited to speak to. Her name is Dr. Hilary Goldsherr.
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And abusers do a good job of isolating you away from your finances, such as Cassie. In Cassie's case, there were allegedly laptops taken away, her car taken away. At those levels, you see things like that. At smaller levels, your abuser could see something minor that you had a little flaw about and pick at it.
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And also that paralyzed feeling for me when I was in it was so significant that I don't think I could have gone to Google and found a therapist and waited for an appointment and gotten in when they could see me. That sometimes could take a month depending on where you're at or what your access is.
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In the exact moments when I was that shut down, I mean, I had points where he would lock me outside of the house and And to punish me if there was something I did that he didn't like and I would ring the doorbell, he would undo the wiring. And so the doorbell wasn't working anymore, which I didn't realize at the time.
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But through a pattern of therapy, I realized a parent of mine had done that to me in childhood. And then when I would sit outside, I would realize like he has me out here and. next to nothing for clothing. So I can't go running around the neighborhood looking like this. I'm stuck. He's like, I'm being punished.
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And the only way for me through the punishments were a drug that I was given by somebody senior that made me be able to go to sleep and forget about everything called Ambien.
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And so, you know, in Cassie's state, there was a lot of access to a lot of different drugs. But I knew that without and sometimes I'd be without my phone. The only thing that I would beg for and I would need in any of those settings was enough ambient to sleep and forget and wake up and try again. And sometimes it took multiple times. Sometimes I was out there overnight, but I would do my best.
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And people would never believe this coming from me because they tend to see me as such a confident person. I do not even understand how I got there.
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Me too. Just thinking, I've shed that person so many times, all the layers of that human. I don't, I ate for her.
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I was on the floor. Asked for water. It was in a dog bowl.
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Or their most important self exists within being with that man.
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There was a display. I posted it to show how much I was loved.
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I just didn't see all the things that I had to go through to get to that day.
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Yes, stronger than drugs. I wish it could have been easier than drugs. It's stronger than drugs to get over. If you watch Intervention, now put that times 5 billion, that's what somebody who is in an abusive, toxic cycle times 5 billion is trying to recover from. It's so difficult. I remember even I did everything. And I mean, I would separate. I would get with people. I would get into therapy.
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I luckily have a best friend who's a therapist who would connect me back in. And I sat with a therapist in L.A. that was like, you know, off insurance, five hundred and fifty bucks an hour. She's a therapist to all the celebrities and she would have known exactly what it was. I found myself with therapists a lot of times that didn't that I could see looking at the clock.
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Or that I could see didn't truly have it. They would go like, wow, really? They couldn't understand just what I went through with Diddy because I was talking in such extremes. I could see their level of shock. And I realized like, oh, I can't even take them past this point. They're not going to be able to understand it.
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And then I noticed when I went to this woman that I spent all of this money and she would give me these gems and I would leave and I would feel confident on my drive home from Malibu the whole time I knew it. But by the time six or seven or eight rolled around and my...
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Abandonment sunk in and my loneliness and because being in this industry and being a celebrity is super isolating in general, I start to want that feeling of what I thought it was is my best friend back. My happiest, highest self was when we were connected. It was the most... It felt like somebody loved me for real, not like a fan's telling me, I love you all over the place.
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That never resonated as real to me. So I remember running right back to him. And I remember getting in the car out of the airport and him laughing and saying to me, look at my brand new watch, babe. It costs this much money, babe. Look at, babe, I have a new Rolex, babe. You spent all that money on therapy and I got a new watch, babe. But you're still here with me, babe, huh, babe?
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Good choice, babe. And I remember thinking to myself, It's true. I have spent as much money as that watch is trying to get over this person. And at the end of the day, a therapist cannot, they can guide you to the water, but you have to drink, which is why I ended up going to Bali and getting out and trying other, other sources to check in with myself.
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Mostly the disconnection was the important part, but I had to get out of it somehow. And therapy was just not working enough because it They can only tell you as much as they can tell you, but you have to want the change and you have to be able to make the change. When you leave there, you can feel so empowered in the sessions.
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But I found and that's for anybody that maybe is in therapy, feeling that power and then leaving and going right back. I found myself doing that for years.
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You can go for it. As I was listening to her testimony, I found myself looking back on many of my relationships and understanding many of
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And that's huge with Cassie, keep going.
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The aftermath is a big one that we don't talk about enough. The aftermath, you know, you can't get those highs anymore. So you're dependent on you got to find something for the high or you got to be ripe and ready for change. And change is not an easy thing to just snap your fingers and go to. As you get older, you learn that you have more control over your brain than you think.
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levels to all of her uh conversation that she had include testimony that she had including um utilizing sex as a love language for somebody who had groomed and established with me that that's how i can get his attention so when text messages that say hey i want more i love you i can't live without you let's make the next one more wild this is making so many people react in a way where they think clearly she wanted it clearly she's asking clearly she was willing
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But when you're younger and you're still learning, I would look around anywhere and everywhere for it. And unfortunately, specifically in Cassie's case, there were so many things that that There were so many addictions around her that she had many things to overcome.
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It seems like everybody had to find ways outside of Puff to move into places to move into that would provide their sense of self anymore. Sense of self meaning you can wake up and feel joy and happiness just within yourself.
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For anyone that didn't understand what she had to say in regards to being in fear of him or they didn't believe it, you can believe it after Kid Cudi's testimony. Those are two different people and the result of both the two different statuses, two different relationships with the man. And yet the common denominator in all of it is force, violence, extreme violence.
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And people not even coming forward and wanting to tell on the person or create a proper trail amongst the public of the events and the behaviors out of fear of retaliation. So it existed on all levels with him. Now, I want to take you through before we finish the cross-examination so we could kind of go over.
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The way that the defense team is kind of using a multi-pronged strategy in regards to, obviously, the denial of the allegations. They've categorically denied them. We're learning, I don't know, not so true. They are attacking her credibility. We've seen that on the stand. We've seen that with multiple people.
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witnesses, financial motivations, career opportunities, inconsistencies in testimony, continuing to seek the relationship with Puff after you've already gone over why all of those would occur. Specifically, a lot of people have issues... With Don Hughes, what are your thoughts on that?
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She kind of got beaten up during the Amber Johnny trial that left all of us sitting on the edge of our seats because there was such an admiration for Johnny Depp. Anyone that was explaining her behavior that they, you know, some people felt was. didn't come off as sincere.
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Um, Don Hughes took a lot of heat when trying to explain that they have made the criticism specifically in this case that she did not interview Cassie. She did not interview Diddy. She has not sat down with anyone involved in this and she does not know their personal records, uh, health records, mental health records.
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Is there some kind of, is there something to say for that defense for that specific defense?
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Would you be able to believe her in your profession even if she hadn't done that?
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You know, you can have an educated opinion on what's going on here. No question, they did say she's only ever worked with victims, never with the abusers themselves. So to get a fair perspective of both sides, they feel that would have been necessary. Do you agree with that or no?
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that why is that I would want a full perspective almost to if there is any saving grace on an abuser's side which listen I'm I don't I'm not a psychologist so I can say what everybody thinks that sounds like some bullshit to me but if I'm being fair and I and I'm I'm wanting to stay as professional as possible I'd want to hear both sides out and understand the mentality I don't know that we need to understand the mentality of an abuser but is there something to that
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And we all know that there are absolutely established events that we're not willing and that we're not wanted. But for the ones that were during cross-examination, I think it's good to start breaking down why women do that and how they find themselves in a position. Women and men, by the way, because this isn't gender exclusive.
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Or even your overall understanding of abuse in general. You maybe don't even have to specifically work with either side in your profession. You have enough information to understand the patterns. And unfortunately, what people don't realize is these patterns are pretty common and pretty standard and pretty repetitive when it comes to every case.
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There are certain things that thread through, even if you feel two cases are completely different. Now, question, is it possible that somebody could make up and lie about everything that that they're experiencing and an abuser could be wrongly accused. Do you see that happening a lot or is it very rare?
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OK, so question, last question.
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For anyone out there right now, if I could revisit many of me and anyone out there that is currently in this situation or they're identifying or feeling very triggered by what they're seeing, obviously, in my opinion, I would suggest look around you and see how recognizable the things you're seeing in front of you or looking at in front of you, if they're mirroring anything that you're experiencing currently.
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around you even people that speak about it in a certain way i would pay attention to that um as well as um i want your advice to anyone out there that's potentially in a situation like that is there some is there something that that i could have heard or anyone that has been in this could have heard that could have made us feel like there was a walkable path to get there sooner than we did
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And also, can you please give the safe other who has somebody come to them and say that to them a great directive to help them? Because sometimes a lot of safe others don't know how to respond. And maybe we can help safe others out as well.
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Say that again for the cheap seats, doc.
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And by the way, I want to jump in with you there. When I first started this process, when Homeland Security came to me, I knew more... Potentially knew more alleged male victims than women and still potentially, you know, alleged victims. I know more men than women. It's so much harder.
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could someone do if they had no money and they had no health care and they had somebody that told them I believe you but what it could be a next step for somebody that does not have access to a doctor a primary care physician or can afford to go to somebody that they google in most cities
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Thank you so much. I have enjoyed this conversation with you, Dr. Hillary, so much. You're so impressive. Obviously, you know that. But I think this was an important conversation to have for people out there that are very triggered by this or experiencing it personally. And for those of you who haven't, to truly leave space. for the stories that you will continue to hear during this trial.
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And for those that you're hearing around you, be that safe person for somebody and show up because this is something that really needs to start being mended on a larger scale. Thank you so much, Dr. Hillary. I really appreciate you taking the time with me today to discuss this.
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All right, guys, tune in to another episode of Amy and TJ Presents, Aubrey O'Day covering the Diddy Trial. This is an iHeart Podcast.
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And when I when I hear them discuss how what they fear and coming forward, it's a completely different set of things than women do. But we know that what females face, which is what we're seeing right now is. which is a bunch of people calling you names and making fun of the things that you would do in private sexual behavior with your partner.
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And you can only imagine how much more complex it goes on the other side and all of the stigmas that are associated there. But I find that men even have a harder time Women have come out, and so it is a little bit more of a conversation.
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But you do know instantly when you come out, likely the first thing you will experience is being slut-shamed and not believed if you're with somebody of a higher status, more power, or more of a fan base or a liking.
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And let me stop with you on that right there. I was in an abusive relationship. I tried to tell people on a larger level. And the response from both the person that was involved in it and the people around was, if it was so bad, then why did you stay? That to me was always something that would make my blood boil.
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And I would try to keep the more almost that you try to explain that the more they sit back and think that you're full of it. It was so difficult for me to explain. Nowadays, when I hear somebody say that it's an instant trigger for me to be like, oh, you're definitely abusive. And she's definitely been abused. That line alone for me is a tell. Now, maybe it's not always a tell.
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And she is a clinical psychologist and expert in trauma recovery and emotional healing. She has over 10 years of experience in psychotherapy services. She specializes in the treatment of couples, relationships, depression, anxiety, trauma, grief, and eating disorders. Hillary, girl, I think I have experienced almost all of these. So I am so happy to talk to you.
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But for me, it's a pretty big tell. And I hate that we're getting caught up in that place because there's tons of different reasons. Please talk to me about what they are and let our audience know what they are. There's no general trait of any one victim. I'm so different than other victims that I know how I grew up.
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racially gender all of the above it's just a way that you are the way that you're groomed the process in which you fall for these people and you experience the abuse it can trigger something in your mind that almost creates this attachment through fear through isolation for me isolation was a big part of it I didn't have anybody to lean on so discuss what those factors are
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Unfortunately, you know, for those out there that don't understand this, you know, I love that you have made very good decisions for yourself and that you were able to avoid these types of people in the world. But please make space for the possibility that these things are very real for other people.
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Does the first one run into childhood trauma?
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And self-worth also does not have a beauty standard. There are a lot of people that look at Cassie and don't understand how she could have ever had any low self-worth. She's a perfectly beautiful looking woman according to social standards. But I do want to make clear that, you know, when I would experience it, it was exactly what you said due to abandonment from childhood.
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And even when I met Diddy relating this back to Puff himself, he... I've said this so many times, but if you were to ask me now, who would you want to revisit in your past of all the accomplishments you've had, whose praise would you want to revisit that made you feel the most full?
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Thank you for being here. So I specifically felt very passionate about discussing last week's testimony, in particular, the forensic psychologist, Dawn Hughes. Let me first establish Dawn Hughes testified for the prosecution. She testified to trauma bonding, delayed reporting, substance use as a coping mechanism. The internet is buzzing on this conversation. I think it's so important to...
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And still at 41, after tons of fucking therapy and tons of healing and moving to Bali for two years and doing every little thing that I possibly could because talking to a person and all of the other things just wasn't enough. I still would say puff.
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And that's because he's just so... I keep trying to really describe this to the viewers because it seems so unreasonable almost, but he's so all-consuming. I've only met a few very powerful people in life, and I've met them all mostly, that steal the air out of the room. You almost have this palpable reaction like...
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When they come in because you're gasping for air because their presence is so big. Now, in that case, that's a very extreme case of somebody absorbing a room. But I've met people on everyday levels that I can see in their relationship are just exhausting all the air in the room. It's the same type of feeling on a large scale.
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But when Puff would be proud of you and be impressed with you because he's so honest, He rarely was. He mostly was very clear about all of his dislikes and all the things that you weren't doing well and all the things that you needed to fix. And it wasn't healthy language that was being used or healthy. It's grooming is what it is.
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Putting us in scenarios where our dreams are held over our heads and make. us do ridiculous things in order to prove ourselves time and time again. It was called reality TV and a network and a production and a whole bunch of other people signed off on it and thought it was funny and a great look for television. And unfortunately, I think it is also part of the response.
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It needs to take accountability for itself in regards to how many people looked up at a television then and decided that to be life as it is, decided to... for that to be an example for them in one way or another.
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You were seeing this very powerful person, a lot of people that were enamored by his presence, doing all kinds of ridiculous shit, continuously having to prove themselves in ways that are unreasonable, like run Central Park until two of you fall and that's who's going home. These are unreasonable things.
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I don't know any other artists that didn't grow up under that situation that had to do that or was expected to do that.
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Popular amongst people that wanted to watch it or it wouldn't have returned for that many seasons.
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Because they can't keep a show on that no one wants to watch. As a society, we feed into such toxic narratives. And those narratives play out right in front of us on our televisions. The way that I saw that I returned back to a healthy state was I had to disconnect from this country.
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Yes, I had to leave and go to another country and live there and disconnect socials and everything and get out of the way of the way that we are socialized. we have such an addiction to these devices that are truly giving us a lot of unhealthy messages.
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So what do you advise to people who are seeing shows on television or seeing articles on their phones without, you know, we've had discussions on this show about headlines and narrating people's lives without any proof or reaching out to find out if anything is factual, just blanket making statements that aren't even true. What is your opinion for those people that are so
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lost in that toxic cycle, that they could be definitely in a position to be, I think what it is personally is creating an identity for people. When you're depending on those sources for an identity, you could end up on a pretty bad path in life.
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Is that all it takes, seduction?
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And give you a high to be able to be somebody that knows better. You're getting a little bit of a serotonin boost almost.
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establish with you out the gate why women stay with their abusers as it pertains to the Diddy trial.
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Question for people out there that are trying to, um,
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Which aligns with what Cassie is saying on the stand. She is saying she was very young, there was such a presence and a power to him. I mean, if you look at all of the making the band seasons, he was able to manipulate all of us to do all kinds of ridiculous shit. So there is this power and this presence with him that maybe, you know, an average show would just not understand how
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It just sucks all of the air out of the room when he's in it. It's just all-consuming. I don't know how else to explain the way in which his power dominates a room. Q, you did tell me an interesting story about... We had a president at Bad Boy named Harv Pierre. He's been mentioned during this trial. His face was on the boards the first day, like mine was. Um...
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Why are you overwhelmed? Did you know those things were happening?
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You had a story with him that you told me that I thought was shocking, because Harv is one of the heads of the organization, right? So he was always very superior, and we always had to kind of look up to this guy. He was always running with Puff everywhere. And you told me a story about...
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Yeah, I wasn't there.
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To me, it just felt so weird. You would never tell Harv to get out and let two artists get in the car that he doesn't even pay us, let alone. You don't even know me yet. It was weird. Yeah. When he said that, it stood out to me like I couldn't even imagine him telling Harv to get out the car.
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Well, you were in the band. He chose you in the band. He didn't know your fucking name.
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What else did he ask you? Sorry.
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Is it possible that she was a victim, too, to it?
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It's kind of what Cassie's kind of saying on the stand when they were cross-examining her. Like, well, there are some text messages that suggest that she wanted an even wilder freak-off than the last time or whatever. When they read a lot of the text messages, there was some admission to at least some of them being... you know, being in awareness of some of them.
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You know, it's hard when you get into this topic because when you groom people and they understand to express themselves and to get attention from you, they need to be sexual. You can write a sexual message, but really just mean I want to spend time with you.
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You know, so it's like to me when I was hearing it, I just kept leaving that space in there where I know survivors live, which is just like you can't take those moments
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turn them into this person wanted it all because a lot of times those messages come from a place that you're trained to understand it makes you most attractive to that person but where is the line between being a victim and being an accomplice and and that is that right there amy is what i'm having a very hard time with with all of this that's why i wanted to you know do this
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I've been sitting here with stories like Q's, like many back and forth and back and forth. I switch over to sides daily wondering, you know, I try to put like Q went on for much longer with the dirty money people. You know, I was fired. So I was living a completely different life. I wasn't exposed to any of the drugs or any of the things that were going on like that.
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So when I hear these things, I'm like, I always just try to like know what I know, know what I saw. know what I think could be possible from what I saw, know what I am shocked by, and I try to make sense of it all.
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But it sounds like from the point where I am checked out, moving forward, that drugs were a very common, constant state from the testimony and from people that were living there that are speaking with us. It just sounds like that is something that was getting very out of control.
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That's tough. For me as a woman, I find it very hard to think that because you're either on the side of the victims or you defend the bad guy. Right. And as women, we don't get a lot of. we don't get a lot of rope to say, well, I believe these four things that the person said, these two, I saw some things where I know that those two are probably not fully the truth.
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And I could believe this, but she could be lying too. Like I'm never given the grace of being able to dissect anybody like that. I just have to make a blanket statement because I feel as a woman, especially in the celebrity world, you're either with women or you aren't. And we kind of have to be in these lanes and it makes dissecting things a bit difficult. And also because there are so many,
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headlines and journalists being so irresponsible you almost fear that the one thing you say that is a dissection gets carried off into the sunset when you dissected it properly and then you're on this side or you're on that I'm being told that I'm on sides that I haven't even dissected yet I'm scared to dissect But I could.
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I could absolutely dissect and I could absolutely pick all kinds of things apart. I do it every day since since all of this started. But but I don't I don't feel like there's any room to do that. And that's a problem. I think we really need to figure out as a society, because that's why there's such extreme palpable reactions to this case.
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There are some people that are just blanket saying Cassie is lying. There are celebrities that are people that are known in the industry that were around and they're just suggesting that. Then there are people that are fully with her.
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There's a lot of really palpable feelings toward it because it seems like according to her testimony, there's proof that there was days that that were, you know, OK, or that maybe that somehow in the messages, it suggests that there was an agreement on certain days. And then on certain days, it seems like it got out of control and it was not wanted at all.
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We see force as such a...
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action word but when I think of it in the making the band context I just did what he said I don't feel like anyone was giving me an action but when he said go run Central Park till somebody drops that's just what we did we just had to we just knew you had to that's what you had to do when I think of it now that was there was force in that there was coercion in that there that wasn't something I wanted to do you know like there was there were those elements there but when you're young and
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And because of the way we define these words, it's very difficult to understand that force factor and to verbalize it clearly to people. Because you're not looking at it like that when you're in that environment. It's just that environment is so far from anyone's healthy, natural state that when you're in it.
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And like I said, when it's good, you feel like, oh, my God, I'm living in this cool place that nobody understands. Everybody wants fame. It's not even fame. I've seen fame at all levels. There's a lot of fame that's completely normal. This is something else. The life over on that side is just in extremes. I remember at one point being on Scott Storch's yacht that they had seized at one point.
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It's on the internet. It's this gigantic, shiny yacht that's got every bell and whistle on it.
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Yeah.
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And we had like been in his home recording and then we were all out on the yacht with Puff. And I remember after that we had gotten sent home for a while and I went home to my sorority and I was like, wow, everybody over here is real boring and this is real stale and I want to go back over there where everything was like.
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The lifestyle, and it's not just a wealthy lifestyle, it's like extravagant and at a drop of a dime Diddy will stand up and suggest that everybody goes somewhere and that's just what we do. Like it was just very... Intoxicating. Yeah, without even being on drugs.
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I didn't feel that way.
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What I'm learning as I talk to more people is the degrees of that are different, right? Like what you're willing to do. It depends on how you grew up. It depends on your experiences that you saw as a child. It depends on what you've normalized in life versus what you haven't. I was always known to like talk back to him.
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That's not necessarily a natural state for anyone else in my group to have done that. And everybody's got different circumstances that we were raised in. So the levels in which we fought that I'll do anything card is different. But we're not different in regards to being under the blanket of being victims to it and experiencing the overall understanding of it.
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However, the levels to which people will go as we're dissecting even within my own band, it sounds like there are levels to which one of my band members may have gone that just are foreign to me. I would never.
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And remember, he's iconic in a culture as well. He's a huge, iconic figure. Correct.
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You'd be surprised.
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You know, people knew who he was. I'm admitting them into the Arwing. I've never dealt with anything like that. You're paranoid of somebody. If you have that in you, you're going to be paranoid.
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It was a mask.
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And she said- Is that what she said it was?
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Who were the twins?
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You're talking about Diddy's daughters? Diddy's twins.
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Hold on, what he's discussing in regards to Vlad TV is that's one of the interviews that the boys did. He had to leave gaps within that interview, and they decided to fill those gaps. It's kind of what I've experienced this past week.
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As you guys know, we started this out, and we all have this intention to talk our way through to the end of this trial and hopefully see justice for whatever is proven and whatever the jury decides— Even you, you had situations that were just made up out of nowhere. So did I last week. Q's discussing one in which he couldn't say certain things because he's honoring a contract.
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And within that, people decided to fill in the blanks. So he discussed an email. He had tears. People put it together that he's crying over an email and what it like basically tried to like.
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Did you have clothes on?
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Without all of those pieces put together, you just spend every single hour of every single day, unless you find a way to distract yourself, trying to figure out what you were in. Q, you say, now I'm wondering what my group was.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
Oh, just that introduction alone just gave me, like, stomach flips. You feel that?
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
I know things to not make sense. You know, I experienced that a lot. But but to hear the levels of like, I don't know, it sounds that sounds like orchestration almost, you know, like have him explode into these like narratives about me that I had to carry. Puff left it on, you're being fired for being raunchy, promiscuous, bad for business.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
None of those things were accurate to me, are accurate to me, were or are accurate to me. And yet I had to then come up from under that. You guys understand what it's like to come up from under something? It's damn near impossible. I don't know that you ever do. I'm waiting for the day. I still can't. As of this week, even when we announced the podcast, it was... She's testifying. We love her.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
Yeah. Yeah. It's heavy right now.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
Now she's doing a podcast and she's refusing to take the stand as if I have any ability to take a stand as if I can walk up to the court, jump on in the stand and say, hey, everybody, Aubrey's here. I even see sites saying that I'm I'm supporting Diddy.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
I know like I knew when Q was coming on, like he really wanted to address what a specific outlet was like the narratives that they were pushing on him because he couldn't open up and talk about his full story. And I know how frustrating that is because it builds and builds and builds and and you you start to feel like you're like sinking.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
What is it like to watch it from your perspective as his mom?
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
Wait, let us get a mic.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Making the Band’s Que - addressing the trial and finding healing from the pain
You're saying like a substance was found in there?
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
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And another thing that I'm concerned about is after she's finished with redirect today, I believe we're going to have... I believe that we're going to have the final Jane speaking. And from what I hear, it will take maybe five to six days. And then they're done with presenting their case, which means, sadly, I don't think we're seeing a KK and I don't think we're seeing a bodyguard.
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And of all the things that that I have been able to understand throughout my time being like, you know, I said, I'm a self-acclaimed attorney, investigator, journalist for the past two years. I have spent a lot of time.
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trying to put pieces together, partly for the project that I was working on and also partly just for my own understanding of something as serious as a man's life that will be taken from him. And because, you know, as we've seen throughout this trial, I have known people to be inconsistent, I had to wonder What is everybody that takes the stand going to be giving?
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The defense scored some serious points. They also really pushed the fact that she does have a civil civil suit. She's in cahoots or she was in cahoots allegedly with Cassie after she filed her lawsuit and. That's alleged victims talking to victims. And she's also having to testify under immunity because she was the drug supplier.
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And is this something that is corroborated and proved by very consistent people? Are we going to venture off and do a lot of things that maybe are closer to the line of piling up on? Now, the things that have been proven in my eyes are so strong that
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That I think it's still there, but a witness that's inconsistent and very inconsistent and also getting immunity because of supplying a lot of drugs that they were both taking. I don't know how much that testimony is going to sit with me well as a juror. You don't recall a lot of things when you're on drugs.
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If you can't recall a lot of things and you're saying you can't and we know that you were the drug supplier and that you did a lot of drugs, to me, I needed something more credible. And by the way, me personally, I know a lot of people that are more credible that should be on that stand. So I'm just... I was like, it was hard to sleep last night. I'm very concerned about the case that I'm seeing.
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And I still believe that, you know, that this is the prosecution and AUSAs have such a high threshold, but they also have such a high conviction rate that they wouldn't just be playing silly games right now. But some of these people that are being so inconsistent on the stand are making them take some very big losses.
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Bodyguards. If they can give her immunity for pushing some drugs, they could have given the bodyguards immunity for some of the more dangerous, some of the allegedly more criminal things that I've been told of allegedly. I believe that...
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If there is proof that KK was ever involved in any of the stuff, the civil suits are suggesting any of the stuff that's even been suggested on the stand that whether she wants to or not, she should have been subpoenaed and she should have been taking that stand and.
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talking about what um what has been suggested in regards to her and all of this enterprise and her role in it however what it makes me feel now is i think she's probably going to take the stand for puff and and maybe the bodyguards are too and maybe some i know somebody that's taking the stand for puff and i don't know how many i i don't know who's that
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I don't want to say just because I don't know what name they're choosing to go under. And I take victims' choice in whether they want to testify as themselves or under a pseudonym very seriously.
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Real inner.
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Yeah, real inner, real free coffee.
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I think I think they would offer them immunity. I mean, I literally like I'm sure you can't run this, but I literally said to them, hey, there's this bodyguard that said X, Y and Z. He's willing to tell you if you guys give him immunity. Here's his name and phone number. Let's move on. So so like I know it was said I know it was there.
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So to me, no, I don't think it's about not they're giving immunity to people that are bringing nothing to the to their charges right now. Remember, as a prosecutor, you only want to put people on stand that are going to speak to your charges. We all, I don't think anyone has a doubt in their mind that there was abuse, force, coercion, and violence.
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And although she did establish that that's not where the majority of her income usually comes from, at the time it was coming a lot from that direction because of the amount of drugs that Cassie needed supplied. And then there are just too many inconsistencies about... All of these horrific stories that she was able to get out.
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We need to start focusing on the other charges that might be a little lighter. There's still, and the threshold has been met, but met by many people is always better than met by one or two. In regards to, sorry, tell me where you went with that in the very beginning.
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I got you. The bodyguards, I believe, potentially could be. problematic in that when everything first started happening, a lot of them have come forward in the documentaries, in podcasts and interviews. They've received payments for all of those things and they were serving up more gossip. I mean, I know some pretty horrifying things that were told to me.
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Um, and you know, it's alleged, but they track, um, And there were other people that suggested those same alleged things. But I think when you put someone like that on the stand, then Diddy's team has an easy cross by saying, aren't you just after money? Because you made a lot. You did this one, this one, this one, this one. You talked about his sexuality. You shamed him. You called him gay.
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You said he wanted butt plugs. You talked about dildos and everything. You became a gossip in the streets. Even the streets were getting to a point where they were like, yeah, moving along on him. Like, you... You really shouldn't be out there doing interview after interview if you really wanna participate in a federal trial.
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I didn't do anything until I knew that I was not subpoenaed and that's why I could come to you and start this journey with you guys because I am a wealth of information. However, I needed to protect that just in case I was called to speak to anyone's character or any possible events that could have been something I was unaware of.
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Well, a lot of people are going to be very scared to ever come forward and tell the truth about very powerful people that are taking advantage of them, potentially even criminally, if he's able to get off on all of this. It's likely because there has been two so far people that have taken the stand, in my opinion, that have been far too inconsistent.
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And then when Nicole came in, she just couldn't remember if it was this, if it was that. I don't recall. I don't recall. It was brutal.
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I had to pause at the second person that took the stand because Cassie was so strong and so believable, according to everyone that actually even watched her, let alone just reading through her transcripts of being accountable, holding herself accountable for both sides of it, the days she wanted to do it and the days that she didn't. She was honest. She didn't shy away from it.
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She didn't seem to be lying about the reasons why she sent the messages she did. It came off very even keeled. And for me, I respected that because I knew that there were both of those days. And I was worried that she would only go with one because obviously in a civil suit, when you file, you're not putting the good days in there.
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So I was worried, is she only going to run with what I saw in the civil suit? Cause that's going to get eaten up alive. Yeah. But she held herself accountable on both sides. The second witness caused me pause and concern because of two reasons. One, we had two people drop out. They were strong. Then we moved somebody in that was very inconsistent. And I had a pause during that moment as well.
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This is now my second pause. But Mia was like, incredible, great, consistent. They just didn't really pick apart anything that she said. And there are other people, forensic therapists, forensic analysis. There are people that have come very strong with, you know, kind of giving the jury an understanding of why they're seeing behaviors of people staying.
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So a lot of things have been established that were very strong. But this specific witness, unfortunately, I think she's kind of impeaching both her and Cassie's characters a bit with her testimony. I don't love it. I'm not saying that she didn't see horrible things. I just don't think this was the strongest person to put on the stand.
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You know, another pause I had was the eight pack of white women before this started. Mark Garagos being able to say that. We know that optics are everything in a case like this. You've got a pregnant woman. Diddy grew his hair out gray. there's a lot of people that understood how strong that optics need to be inside a courtroom. And I just thought eight pack of white women, why give them that?
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Why give them the ability to even say that? Now, I also do believe you should pick the best for the job and that it shouldn't, you shouldn't have to play those types of games when it comes down to a federal trial and, and, and criminal charges on this level. But I, You also have to do some smart lawyering in these types of situations as well.
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So there have been moments of pause that I've had with this. And I get worried that victims will, first of all, many people will fall by the wayside in those civil suits, maybe because they should, maybe because they're scared.
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there's gonna be a whole lot more reasons to be scared because as we know, there has been obvious testimony to witness tampering and to force and coercion and following people around, blacklisting people, having them live in states of fear. Blackmailing people was suggested even on the stand.
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So all of those things tell me that, and Diddy's a Scorpio, and if he hasn't learned anything, he's gonna come after everybody.
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That might be the case. You might be right.
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Well, I know who this person is. Now, by the way, there has been a lot of changes in the ninth inning because who this person was two days ago could have been somebody else. There's been a lot of shifting and turning and making choices. I think after seeing what happened with Brianna, maybe they needed to shift in a certain direction.
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But this person, I believe, has alleged that they were a girlfriend. You know how I feel about that term, but a girlfriend. So now we're going back to the girlfriend stuff and we're going back to the freak offs and we're going back to forced coercion. And and the patterns that we've already established in the beginning of this trial.
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Well, according to what I experienced, how this process works is Homeland Security will reach out to you directly. They will set up a meeting if you're willing to speak with them. He did tell me that the men told me within the laws that occur now, they can't tape you during those meetings. They just are taking notes.
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And if that's all we're getting and maybe there I've heard that this person could be on the stand for multiple days.
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More than Cassie. I'm... The thing is with this person is I have a personal connection that's a conflict, so I have to be very careful. I'll have to go off of her testimony alone. I don't want to get into my feelings about what she does or doesn't do or what I know to be true or not know to be true.
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But I really hope that they made a good decision with this person and that she is not somebody that they are going to be able to cross with as much effectiveness as they did with Brianna. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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The interactions are minor. The understandings are major. I would say I got to see what she does in court. I'm not exactly sure. I know how she came off to me, but I'm one person, right? Like how you come off to a man, how you come off to other people that, you know, are into the things you're into could be completely different.
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I'm concerned about where they could go with the cross. And I'm concerned about other things outside of this trial that could get messy.
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Yes, but she doesn't have a civil suit yet. Right. I don't even know that I can mention if she's in one or not because that could be potentially putting someone's name out there and I'm not gonna do that.
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No, I believe we're going to hear more. And she also has been introduced to the public if you're paying attention to the trial and all of the civil suits and all of the accusations, you would be familiar with her.
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So I assume if you go past that level and they are able to put you in the circle of the criminal behavior in one way or another that really speaks to the charges that they're going for, then you're speaking to prosecutors, you're being deposed and you're having depositions and you're giving answers.
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Is she still struggling this morning?
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Which, by the way, I don't know if she suggested any other drugs of that night. But if you've ever smoked a blunt or smoked a cigarette, it does not put your memory out. It just doesn't. You would be able to recall the events of the night. It's not a drug that, especially at the frequency in which she sounds like she was using drugs in regards to how she's testified to using a lot of drugs.
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Marijuana ain't taking anybody that does a lot of drugs out anytime soon. People smoke it recreationally. It's legal in some states. You could drive while after smoking. It's not making you forget this many details. It's not making you not be able to recall this many details.
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If you're taking like the one that's the I don't smoke weed, but one brings you up sativa and something else.
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So she might have been in the couch, but I've smoking some in the couch. And if I were in the couch, and then over the balcony, I'd be able to remember it even if I had been in the couch before.
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So to me, once again, we have somebody that was inconsistent in the way that she told the story and the way she's telling it on the stand. And I think throughout that entire process, you should be able to weed out what you should be able to weed out these inconsistencies. And also, I don't know that she made any points towards, I think there were two good things that were established.
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It's like a black and mild. So there's some tobacco in there. And then you put marijuana on the top and then you sprinkle cocaine on it. I've never done that, but that was a big hit over at Bad Boy.
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Allegedly.
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Yeah. Just like we're supposed to call Twitter X. Girl, it's not going to happen. There are just some of us that will not be able to make that transition occur.
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And also, it's still the, what's our stadium in LA that they changed to the Crypto Place? That's not the Crypto Place.
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Let us old people have some of our memories. Good God. They just take it all away from you as you get older. All right.
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Well, first thing I hope is that if prosecution starts going anywhere near the direction that they went in with Breonna, that they take her off the stand quickly. Because they done left Breonna on the stand for so long that if I'm a juror, I'm confused. I have reasonable doubt now. Oh, wow. By the way, I moved to vacation in order to just report on this trial.
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You'd think if you were a key witness and somebody who was so horrific to you that there's a federal trial occurring. It's just a little crazy to me that you can't move the vacation a bit to make sure that the testimony is laid out and a bad person that shouldn't be... If this person's opinion is they shouldn't be free, that they wouldn't make the time to...
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make sure that that point gets, you know, that point gets made. But what, who am I? I don't know. Maybe they had a birthday party to attend.
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This is a federal trial and this is a man's life on the line. You better show up and move the vacation. I, to me, it's already giving three piece suit with diamonds on the collar. I don't know.
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Rose, can you imagine if TJ came home and was like, hey, I want to see this girl get beat up by Diddy. Let's watch it again. Maybe we'll get turned on.
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One of them is that Cassie's drug addiction and her involvement in it was starting around 2009 and that it was really bad in about 2014, which is establishing it got worse due to the hands and her time with Puff. which is something that she did testify to. So I guess that's one good thing.
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We just don't care enough about each other in this society. We're very individualistic. You know, not to go on a rant, but when I was in Japan at a nomokase, he asked everyone where they were from. And everyone said their places. And then I said, oh, L.A. And the people next to me said San Francisco. And the chef said to me, every time we were the biggest, you know, he's the biggest name.
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He has all the biggest people in the world that come. And they'll say Russia. They'll say China. They'll name their country first. Here in America, he's like, but Americans always say their location in America. We're just a very individualistic place. We don't agree with those other states that are across from us half the time.
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This overall embodiment of being a proud American is kind of something that we sell to the rest of the world, but I don't know how many people actually feel so proud, especially with what's going on right now. I think that is a macro-scale understanding of a micro-scale in regards to this being...
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People see someone shot and they bust out their cameras because they wanna be the first to maybe sell it to TMZ. TMZ reports somebody died before they've even died. There are all kinds of like really odd, unethical, tacky, weirdo behavior occurring constantly. And we just don't have this desire to really, do what's right. If there's a come up in it for you, you'll consider that come up first.
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And I don't know how we got here and I have some ideas of how we could fix it, but I don't know how we got here because when the people running the country are really individualistic, it's a top down messaging that goes something like this, protect you and your own first, worry about others later. So if any of these people or if at all. Yeah.
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And technology makes it even easier to do that because it isolates you from having to create friendship circles. And AI is making it so you can have friends now that you don't even have to have friends, really. You could just ask. ChatGPT loves me more than my own friends do. That's funny. So it's like we're being more and more isolated.
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I think it really is going to come down to parents truly like grounding their kids in nature, making them put their bare feet.
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in the grass and get out away from their phones more because they're just they're they're truly becoming such a everything is becoming such a viral quick moment and if you don't have it and you can't do it you aren't relevant and everybody has moved on after five or six minutes of it being all the talk of the town it's insane.
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Another good thing, but again, Nicole is so effective, which Diddy's defense attorney, Nicole Westmoreland, is so effective in regards to just not letting things get by the jury and not letting things get out.
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But there was a moment where they were trying to establish that a producer named Rob Holiday was contacted and or sorry, contacted Brianna and wanted to try to fix and settle out the situation. So that's a bit helpful in regards to the prosecution proving coercion and and, you know, the cleanup of messes, etc.
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I'm sure something did happen, but because there were so many inconsistent statements, I'm not exactly sure what.
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I would believe that that type of behavior sounds pretty consistent with everything that we've heard so far from other witnesses that are consistent. So, yeah, in my opinion, I believe that that sounds consistent. In my opinion, just being around the man, like I said, almighty king rides on the backs of everybody.
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And, you know, the stories that he would tell of these grandiose events of how he could go to Dubai and ride on the backs of people. And he's a king of all kings like that. you know, these people that are saying he was like a god and he was all-encompassing, we all have the same narrative. And then again, he kept us so isolated that any thought outside of that wasn't even being presented to us.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
We didn't even have anything to bounce that idea off of. All we saw was the king and everybody was falling in line.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
Yeah, some of that cross-examination that she is just failing miserably with. Unfortunately, it has... What a difference a day makes. You know, you're on a high from Mia. You start to get into racketeering, sex trafficking. We start to really get into the nuts and bolts of the charges. And unfortunately...
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
I think when if you're on a lot of drugs and you're there to potentially threaten someone or you're offended or, you know, angry at a situation and you're on a lot of drugs that allegedly you could say any of the number of things he's been accused of saying.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
Well, geez, TJ, if devil is maybe potentially accurate, monster is like a little few steps above devil in my book. But I can't say personally that I would call him those names. But after witnessing the things that I did and understanding it in much more detail since this trial has started, those words are very, they feel like they align with the testimony that's being given.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
Yeah, I mean, like, of all the things that I knew, I mean, I didn't spend much of my time after leaving, being fired, considering him as a person. I just moved on.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
But now, because I've been so involved in this for the past two, before anyone even knew it was happening, I've just been able to talk to so many people and to understand so many levels of things that were occurring that were out of my vantage point.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
And I think that when you add them all up and, and they have, you know, people that are cooperating those stories that it's, it's just, it's out of the realm of anything that I could understand a man to be, you know, I just, I don't know many men that I don't know any men. Um, you know, I know some really bad, powerful people, but, uh,
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
To be aired out at this extent to this level, it's very bad behavior. To me, I'm a hard person to ask the words question to because I think words are man-made and they have the meaning that you allow them to have. So whether you say devil, God, king, or madman, whatever the words are, those are just descriptive words. To me, they're just...
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
Man-made words, they don't really hold any meaning other than what you give them. But that's not technically how the world chooses to see words. So that's more of my Bali alternative healing woo-woo side. Something only has the power that you allow it to have. But in this specific trial in court and with jurors, words absolutely matter. And those words are very damning.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
Bona has just not been consistent with, you know, what she's told prosecutors versus what she said on the stand. Nicole West Moreland, who also crossed my bandmate Don Richard, is crossing her and she's a beast. She is just. She is finding every inconsistency, every way to discredit. And there are some real ways to discredit in this round.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
If I ever met her, it would have been in passing. She seems to have been around during the time period that I was there. But like I said, the worlds were so separate in regards to, you know, Cassie wasn't in the studio making music. Like she said, her full-time job became something else. We were in the studio all day making music. We were around the Enterprise every day.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
And then when we were taken out, we were with her in all of the social settings. They would have her around with us.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
The first couple of words, I mean, I was laughing in my head thinking, have you seen Making the Band? But the last few statements, inebriated, not having any control.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
I think even on a normal day, his energy is at a place that you could potentially gather the thought that he might be really high.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
I didn't even know when we would get out of the studio at daddy's house out of the elevator and there would just be like a puff of white smoke and we couldn't figure out what direction to go in. I didn't even really understand what that was until it was explained to me and until I started feeling a little loopy. Like I said, we used to run to the staircase to get air.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
Yeah, I mean, that did stand out to me. I was wondering. I could make tons of different assumptions. Somehow, it's likely protecting Cassie's secret or something, protecting her from him in some type of way that he found out. But that's just allegedly. I would have no idea. But also, I don't know what the situation was, because first she says it was a party, then she was sleeping in her bed.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
I mean... What was it, girl? I need a picture. I was seeing a party at first and then apparently it's a sleep in bed. I don't know which story is true. And unfortunately, in a juror's mind, when they can't even place where the event started and they can't put a picture of how it all began.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
and that's not even clear i don't know as a juror how how clear everything else could be for me if we couldn't even start off the setting of the situation and a big and a house party and sleeping in bed are two very different things and i think if you remember being hung off the balcony you probably remember if you were in bed sleeping or if it was a house party
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
No, you wouldn't forget being dangled. I think... I think that there's a possibility of that. Listen, we still have more cross left and we have a redirect. The redirect might be able to establish things a bit more clearer. Sometimes just being in, you know, it's a high pressure situation being on a stand. And these are incredible lawyers that are cross examining her.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
Some of those things being, I mean, at this point, what I think that she's doing is not only, you know, she's there to corroborate Cassie, but we don't need any more corroboration in regards to the violence, in my opinion. What I see her doing is her testimony is an impeachment on both of their characters. A bit at this point, which we don't need to go backwards.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
So maybe just the pressure of that situation had her faltering. I don't know. But yeah. To me, when I look at any of these people, like, sorry, to roll back to what you asked me in the beginning, TJ, I took what I said to Homeland Security so seriously. If there were things that I saw, like, I witnessed a whole lot of things.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
But unless I understood the beginning and end of how it happened or who was doing it or what this person said it was after the fact, I'm not going to offer up that type of information. Because that information is just not valuable because it could be shred apart as too inconsistent. There were things that I told them, hey, I saw this, I saw that.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
But if I was to get crossed and cross was to ask me, are you sure it wasn't a facelift or a nose job? I'd have to say that could be a possibility. And I don't think maybe just people don't understand to be that clear. And because I grew up around lawyers, I knew to be. But I just I didn't offer anything that I couldn't factually prove that I didn't.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
I like always at least two people that can corroborate a story. I make sure even in life when I go through something very hectic or something that I think is unethical in any workplace, I will document it immediately to a friend through phone call, through text.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
And even if I can record, if it's in a one-party consent record state, I will start recording immediately just to make sure that I've got the receipts to prove what I'm talking about. Because when we get to levels like these, inconsistencies can lose a case and it can send somebody free that... potentially could be very dangerous.
Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Speaking of the Devil…
So far, as of now, defense serious when they made some serious points on her prosecution, probably regrets putting her on the stand. I just don't think it was necessary. I think they're overshooting. With certain people, I think they're just overshooting it a bit. And that's a very risky game to play against lawyers that are very good.
Betrayal: Season 4
Introducing: American Homicide
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Introducing: American Homicide
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Introducing: American Homicide
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Introducing: American Homicide
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 26 - Kelsey Pt. 2
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
S4: EP 2 — Cat and Mouse
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
S4: EP 2 — Cat and Mouse
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
S4: EP 2 — Cat and Mouse
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
S4: EP 2 — Cat and Mouse
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: Donielle Pt. 1 & Pt. 2
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: Donielle Pt. 1 & Pt. 2
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: Donielle Pt. 1 & Pt. 2
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: Donielle Pt. 1 & Pt. 2
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: Donielle Pt. 1 & Pt. 2
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: Donielle Pt. 1 & Pt. 2
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: Donielle Pt. 1 & Pt. 2
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: Donielle Pt. 1 & Pt. 2
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: Donielle Pt. 1 & Pt. 2
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: Donielle Pt. 1 & Pt. 2
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 20 - Carmen Rita Wong
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 20 - Carmen Rita Wong
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 20 - Carmen Rita Wong
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 20 - Carmen Rita Wong
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 24 - Deb
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 24 - Deb
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 18 - Sara
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 18 - Sara
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 18 - Sara
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 18 - Sara
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 23 - Dawn
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 23 - Dawn
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 23 - Dawn
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 23 - Dawn
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 17 - Ryan
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 17 - Ryan
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 27 - Abby
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 27 - Abby
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 27 - Abby
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 27 - Abby
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: EP 10 - Torrah
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: EP 10 - Torrah
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: EP 10 - Torrah
Aubrey O'Day is sitting next to us here. You are, as we sit here, right up the street from where the trial is taking place. Some people saw that you were going to be in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. So can you clear that up? First of all, are you here to testify in the Diddy Trap?
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: RE-RELEASE: EP 10 - Torrah
Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise based on her firsthand knowledge from her days on making the band as she emerged as the breakout star. The truth of the situation would be opposite of the glitz and glamour.
Betrayal: Season 4
Introducing the Burden of Guilt Docuseries
It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.
Betrayal: Season 4
Introducing the Burden of Guilt Docuseries
It wasn't all bad. But I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there.