In this episode, we talk with two former members in the drug industry who experienced firsthand the "kabuki theater" endless loop of research (that didn't accomplish much) along with the troubling practice of hard-selling drugs to doctors' offices. Meanwhile, they both witnessed friends and family members take six to twelve prescriptions, yet seeing little to no improvement. Fed up, our two guests did not grow discouraged, jaded, or give up. Instead, they became leaders in microbiome health and gut supplementation. Tina Anderson is a former trial lawyer specializing in settling cases through mediation, bringing both sides together. Mediation is her passion. So is her family, which is why she left the high-stress job behind to start a business with her husband, creating a unique supplement containing the super probiotic strains of renowned researcher Dr. Simon Cutting. Tina is now a wellness evangelist, helping people live their best physical and emotional lives. Kiran Krishnan is a research microbiologist whose focus is the human microbiome and wellness. His expertise is in the newest frontier in microbiology: gut commensal spore bacteria. Kiran is a frequent lecturer worldwide and as a guest on various radio and satellite podcasts. He also speaks frequently at autism conferences. Kiran established the Clinical Research Organization, where he conducts human clinical trials in human nutrition for over 17 years. Kiran began his rigorous research in the fields of molecular medicine and microbiology at the University of Iowa.

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