Chapter 5 | Like a Little Kid
episodePreviously titled “Jeremy | Chapter 5 - Like a Little Kid” — renamed by the publisher on Aug 11, 2026
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I found out I was related to the guy that I was dating.
I don't feel emotions correctly.
I collect my roommate's toenails and fingernails.
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Well, because I clean, I listen to a lot of podcasts to get through the day, and I kind of exhausted all the good ones, like, of course, cereal, and went through all those pretty fast.
Mary West has had many jobs and worn many hats. She's in her 60s now and living in northern Florida, where, these days, she cleans houses.
I did it when the kids were in school so that I could go on field trips or go to their swim meets or whatever. I like cleaning, actually, and so I just stayed with it. I was just Googling one day for, like, podcasts set in Florida. Because I really just wanted to hear about local stuff, I guess. And, you know, you came up. Like, I would even... agree to do a house I didn't want to do because I'd have four hours of uninterrupted listening, you know. The part of the podcast really, and it's still memorable, is when you played the clip of Victoria Avalon.
Mr. Scott. Yes, ma'am. My name is Victoria Avalon. I'm the prosecutor in the case.
Victoria Avalon is an assistant state attorney who questioned Jeremy Scott after he confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in a 2017 evidentiary hearing.
And she was questioning Jeremy.
Your grandmother's dead, right? Leave her out of this. Your grandmother's dead, right? Yes, she is. She was the only one on earth that cared about you, wasn't she? Got to answer out loud.
Yeah.
No one's sending you any money, correct? No, ma'am. You can't even afford to buy deodorant, can you? No, ma'am.
You can't even buy deodorant, can you? And I was like, man, she's just, she was harsh. I thought, man, that's awful. I just felt so bad for Jeremy. So I thought, well, I'm going to send Jeremy some money, like $20. You know, I don't know.
Do you remember the first letter, what you said to him?
I think it was right around Christmas. And I don't know, I just said he was, that I thought he had done the right thing to confess what he had done. I knew it had to be hard and that I felt bad because he had said he felt like he slept with ghosts that night. And that was just wanting to help a downtrodden person, really. I didn't have any plans to keep writing him like that, you know.
Do you remember the first letter that Jeremy sent to you?
Laughter hides my fears
Sorrow's depths are endless In this valley of tears I want to see your revelation I want to know who you are I'm reaching out To the one who's holding the star
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