Chapter 1: What dreams are discussed in the beginning of the episode?
All right, so at 42, you are living Al's dream. I don't know if you know that. Al, who's this? Who's this Al? Al Bundy.
Al Dukes. What do you think I'm talking about? Al Dukes. I get giddy when I say it. I saw Al yesterday. I was kind of giddy. I hadn't seen him since he was on his trip to Montana. He reminded me. I know I think I've seen him after that.
Not much, though.
Yeah.
Eddie, would you say in all the years of doing the podcast, this jujitsu thing with Al has gone back about 10 years, maybe longer? Oh, so you're saying Al does jujitsu?
No, no, no.
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Chapter 2: How has jiu-jitsu influenced the hosts' lives?
We're not saying that. Al has talked about...
doing jiu-jitsu for about 10 years at least yeah so he has been saying he's too old from the moment he said he wanted to start taking it and my point is you're 42 soon to be 43 and if you go back al probably around that age maybe maybe 44 was so into wanting to learn jiu-jitsu but he would always come back with the excuse but i'm too old and i would keep telling him no like you never do it
I used to go with guys in their 50s. I forgot you did tell me you did it. I did. My wife did it too for a while. I did it for about seven years, I would say. And I was in very good shape and everything was really good until I stopped going and got fat and sloppy and out of shape. You're way too hard on yourself. Not so much. But I do understand the getting banged up and hurt and all that.
My point is Al should have done it now at 50, whatever he is. He'll never get into it. But I commend you because you're a former athlete rolling around with other men and sweaty and disgusting and getting all banged up, and here you are. You'd be better for it.
Well, this is the problem too, Jerry, and I know you want to pivot out of this, and I apologize. I find myself going against people like, oh, man, I don't want to do this. I don't want to roll with this big fella. And then I roll with some people who have bullies revenge because they're adults now.
They want to kick your ass.
Right. And they can't get the bully that was beating them to kind of get back at what they went through in high school. They now look at me and say, well, you're the bully I want to beat up. So they go a little extra hard, which I appreciate. I get it.
I will tell you. So when I was doing all this, my back started giving me a little bit of trouble with the grappling part of all of it. So I went for, I would say, a couple of years. I got out of that and I just went to straight kickboxing, which I really enjoyed the workout. It was pretty good. And I worked out. I would go to the classes.
But there was also this guy, Rob, really good guy who I became friendly with. And we started doing... Like private lessons with the instructor, Jason, it was just the three of us on the mat. And for probably a year or so, we just trained and that's all it was. And then we had the idea, I think it was even my stupid idea.
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Chapter 3: What challenges do older athletes face in jiu-jitsu?
Hey, why don't we start doing some live sparring to see where we're at? And he was always a little more advanced than me. I'm going to say that right off the bat. He was always a little bit better than me, always a step ahead of me. But he was a really good guy.
He had headgear and all the work.
Headgear. Oh, yeah. He had the shin gear, the headgear, everything. And so we go out there for the first round of our first sparring session. First round went fine, although I was exhausted after a live round. You don't realize how tiring it is. Yeah, it's crazy. We go out for the second round. And all of a sudden, the punches that I might have been landing were coming off a little bit slower.
He was certainly blocking more of them. And then here it came. I don't know what I did to him or what I said to him. He hit me with a roundhouse kick. on the side of my head that knocked me into the next day. He knocked you out? Yeah. I mean, it didn't knock me out. It didn't black out. But I was dazed. I don't know if I had a concussion or not. But I remember saying, dude, what was that?
And he's like, I don't know what just happened. I saw the opening and I went for it. I'm like, yeah, you kicked the crap out of me. And I feel like what you're talking about, I'm not saying he had a bad childhood, but something got into him and he couldn't wait to kick me in the head. And boy, did he kick me in the head.
I believe it.
It is fun, though. The one thing about it that I do miss, like any workout, when you're done with the workout, you feel phenomenal. You feel great. You feel like you take on the world. And that type of workout where you're learning not only to fight, but to defend yourself in different moves and takedowns.
And there was a period, not any longer, but there was a period where I felt pretty confident walking the streets of New York City at 3 a.m., walking to work. that if I could get a guy to the ground, I felt okay that I could defend myself or at least call for help. I don't feel that way anymore because it's been years and years since I did it.
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Chapter 4: What experiences did the hosts have with sparring sessions?
It's funny you said that because I was having this conversation with my buddy who's also taking jiu-jitsu and doing very well at it. He's actually competing this weekend. Nevertheless, I said we were talking about when do you think an art like jiu-jitsu is effective.
I said when you're one-on-one with somebody, if you think your jiu-jitsu can beat three guys, you don't get the hell stomped out of you. You know what I mean? So choose your art, choose your training wisely. If you're one-on-one with a guy in a bathroom or whatever and it's a one-on-one thing, yeah, that's a good place to kind of show what you got.
But if there's three dudes that want to fight you and you're by yourself, don't go to the ground.
Stay on your feet. Just FYI. That is very true. By the way, speaking of training, real quick before we take a break, I think I mentioned this to Gio. Have you heard of this Diamond Gym in northern New Jersey? No. So there's this thing, my younger son found this on YouTube, and it's this really cool, like, I mean, a gym. It's a man's gym where they got weights and guys are sweating like crazy.
But the workout is nuts to where if they give you something to do and you fall short, not only do you have to do it again immediately, they tack on more. So, like, let's say they say drop down and give me 50 push-ups. Okay. And you get to like 41 and your arms are shaking and you get to a knee and you're like, I can't do it. They're like, really? Good. Now you owe me 55 more.
And they don't let you get up until you finish the task. And it's a great YouTube channel. And the guys in the gym are like... I think I've seen this. There's a bunch of brothers in the gym yelling at each other. They're all jacked up. A.J. Brown went and did it. And they were like in his face because he couldn't do, I forget which, I don't think it was curls.
If it was something, maybe it was working on his lats. I think I've seen this.
A bunch of influencers like Instagram and streamers, they pull up to the gym and they try to get through the workout.
And it's really difficult. And then like the guy who runs it, you think he's just being a bully. Then he gets down and does the workout and he can do it. It is really. So I figured we'd write up your alley as the workout guy that you are. You really enjoy it.
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Chapter 5: How do the hosts feel about the physicality of their workouts?
I thought Shaunti was your guy.
Shaunti is my guy.
You have a poster of Shaunti in your house. You told me this.
I don't have a poster. Yeah, you have a coaster.
You're a big Shaunti merch guy.
No, I do have his books, though.
Right.
It sounds like a fan. No, I mean, it's a workout book, and I do have that. And I've got all the discs.
And, yes, I have it. You have all of Sean T's insanity workouts. Yeah.
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