Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar
1/22/26: SCOTUS To Defeat Trump On Fed, DOGE Election Fraud, FanDuel Lies, MN Family Teargassed
22 Jan 2026
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election, and we are so excited about what that means for the future of this show.
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Chapter 2: How are independent media shaping political narratives today?
And they have just kept pushing this further and further down the road. Furthermore, with regard to this issue of these sort of independent agencies, which were created by Congress and meant to be protected and insular from political influence, whether you agree or support that or not, that's the way Congress set up the Fed. It's the way Congress set up CFPB and some other agencies as well.
They have ruled on the side of Trump having executive power over those things. And so it is interesting that when it comes to the money, when it comes to Wall Street, that is where they look like they're set to draw the line and where they may actually, you know, check him in a meaningful way when they have not done that.
Really, it's, I mean, you might say on the Seacott thing, sort of, kind of, but in general, they have let him do whatever he wants. So I do think it's noteworthy that, like, this is the place where they draw the line.
Yeah, it's going to be Fed, Seacott, and tariffs. I mean, again, that's an assumption I still don't really know. Yeah. I would think perhaps one reason the tariff decision,
is taking so long is, remember, they write these in real time, and it's very likely, because apparently, again, this is from my friends who have covered the court, is there's often delays when you're doing the concurrences and writing the opinions, and then sometimes people will write separate, or they'll concur in part, and then they'll write a different one.
Because this is such an important case for presidential power, which is probably gonna be taught forever in law schools, apparently that's one reason, which could be the delay. Again, I don't know. I still think that this stuff takes way too insanely long, especially whenever it comes to an economic question like tariffs. It's been a year.
People have been paying billions of dollars on people on tariffs. And then think about this. If they ruled unconstitutional, do we all get a refund?
who gets a refund? You know, to me, I think that potentially there could be a more sort of cowardly, I guess I would say, rationale here, which is that in the meantime, Trump gets to do what he wants. Like, you know, the height of tariff mania after Liberation Day has passed. Now, he's still using tariffs and the threat of tariffs and all sorts of crazy ways.
We saw this with like, you know, the Greenland situation. And the more that they drag out that decision, the more he just gets to do what he wants. I think they're genuinely you know, I think they're afraid of Trump. I think they many of them actually support his theory of like this massively powerful, unitary executive. I think they obviously many of them support him more or less ideologically.
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Chapter 3: How is SCOTUS likely to impact Trump's ability to fire Fed officials?
They don't want to completely destroy their credibility by putting on a ruling that's just idiotic and ahistorical in terms of previous case law. But they also don't really want to get crosswise with Trump. So to me, I mean, I think the court is blind. very political, not just this court. I think the court has always been very political.
Perhaps it has become even more partisan and even more political. And so I read into this delay basically that they want to forestall as long as possible having to have that reckoning with Trump on something that is truly central to the way he views the world, the tools and the power that he brings to bear.
I mean, it's relevant to the conversation we just had with Mearsheimer, how we throw our weight around in the world even more so economically than we do militarily.
You may be right. One thing I had to flag here, because this is so crazy. Let's put this up here on the screen. I spotted it in the financial press. But Scott Besant says that Deutsche Bank chief had to distance the bank from a research note on U.S.
Chapter 4: What allegations are being made about DOGE and election fraud?
assets. So basically what happened is that a Deutsche Bank analyst published a report in which he had said that U.S. assets and the dollar may be under threat. Well, eventually, what ended up happening is that Besson apparently either called or pressured the Deutsche Bank CEO to distance himself from this analyst report that suggested European investors could sell U.S.
assets in response to a trade threat. He specifically said this notion that Europeans could be selling U.S. assets came from a single analyst, Deutsche Bank, of course, a fake news media outlet led by the Financial Times, amplified it, and the CEO had to call to say that Deutsche Bank does not stand by that analyst.
The note, which was written by their chief forex strategist, had said that Europe held nearly 8 trillion of US bonds and equities. making it its largest creditor and underlined Washington's reliance on foreign capital. And so, quote, while he did not predict a sell-off, he had warned that intensifying geopolitical strains could prompt European investors to reduce dollar exposure.
That then led to this crisis where the US Treasury Secretary notices this in a Financial Times article and either called or pressured the bank to move away from the analyst report. So just to combine the two, just to show people About the preeminence of the dollar, the Fed, and why. We always try to cover Fed news here, even though I know it's boring.
And usually it's just like CNBC and Bloomberg and all those people who really pay attention. But I think the core theme we've tried to hammer home here is this has a lot of effect on your life. Mortgage rates, credit card, all kinds of interest rates, car loans, things that govern your literal financial existence ultimately are decided by this board of gods here in Washington.
And it matters a lot. And that's why I always try to encourage people to pay more attention.
The Besson thing is very important because sometimes this administration really does show their cards about what they actually do care about and actually are sensitive to. One time was when Trump flipped off that guy for calling him a pedophile protector. That was a tell. This is another tell, right? And the taco on Greenland is a tell. Yes.
Like this is the markets, what especially the bond markets are doing is very, very important to them. And, you know, so this is showing a little bit of weakness here. To be honest with you, I think it would have been better if they just, you know, pretended like it didn't bother them whatsoever. Because you're basically broadcasting to the world like this is something that we're worried about.
This is an actual power that you do have with us that we are concerned about and that we have our eye on. So it's very interesting and revealing in that way. Absolutely.
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Chapter 5: How are FanDuel's practices affecting gamblers?
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All right. There was another moment in Trump's World Economic Forum Davos speech that didn't get quite as much attention. But I think it was he actually wanted it to. And it just, you know, with all the Greenland stuff, it didn't really get picked up. But where he threatens prosecutions against supposed people who are involved in, quote unquote, rigging the 2020 election.
Let's go ahead and take a listen to this.
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Chapter 6: What constitutional issues are raised by ICE's actions?
Which the Supreme Court ruled. Absolute immunity. Absolute and total immunity for the president. Okay. But, you know, it's like they just forget about these things like three weeks later as if it didn't happen. Obviously, I hope this is the case of just bullshitting or whatever, but you have to take it seriously.
Well, here's another reason why you have to take it seriously. Let's put D3 up on the screen. So the Trump administration has now been forced in court filings to admit that the Doge team took Social Security data and was giving it to one of these like stop the steal organizations looking for, quote unquote, voter fraud. So let me read you this.
Two members of Elon Musk's Doge team working at the Social Security Administration were secretly in touch with an advocacy group seeking to overturn election results in certain states. And one signed an agreement that may have involved using Social Security data to match state voter rolls, the Justice Department revealed in newly disclosed court papers.
Elizabeth Shapiro, top Justice Department official, said Social Security Administration referred both Doge employees for potential violations of the Hatch Act, which bars government employees from using their official positions for political purposes.
Shapiro's previously unreported disclosure dated Friday came as part of a list of corrections to testimony by top Social Security Administration officials during last year's legal battles over Doge's access to Social Security data.
They revealed that Doge team members shared data on unapproved third-party servers, may have accessed private information that had been ruled off-limits by a court at the time. Shapiro said the case of the two Doge team members appeared to undermine a previous assertion by SSA that Doge's work was intended to detect fraud, waste, and abuse in Social Security and modernize the agency's technology.
So basically, previous SSA officials were either lying or didn't know what these Doge people were doing underneath of their noses.
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Chapter 7: What happened to the Minnesota family during the ICE incident?
This has now been discovered, and they probably were fearful that the court was going to catch them in this lie. So they had to come out with this information, which says, you know how we told you that they were not accessing sensitive information, that they certainly weren't sharing it with third parties, that they weren't using unapproved, unsecured channels to share that information.
Yeah, that was all completely wrong. In fact, these guys went in and did all of that. And so, again, lest you think that the fixation on 2020 has ended. Here they are directly working with one of these quote unquote advocacy groups to try to overturn election results. Gee, I wonder which elections using your sensitive Social Security information that is being held by the federal government.
Yeah, it's a disaster.
I mean, there's no other way around. And this was always a problem with Doge. And look, with this one, it said there were details are still a bit weird because they're saying that they're not sure what information or. whatever was shared. It doesn't really matter because even being in touch with the organization is the violation here of the Hatch Act. And it does trace back.
I think that this is more of the tip of the iceberg, personally, and that this is why that I mean, I've said, you know, if you're if you're a Doge member, you better hope Elon's going to be paying your legal bills, because when these Democrats. come into power in 2026.
Can you imagine like what the subpoenas and all of that will eventually show as a result of just those chaotic first couple of days? And this was the concern from day one.
The Trump administration is throwing them under the bus here. I mean, happy to be like, oh, these guys were doing some crazy stuff. We didn't have any idea about it in the context of this court. So your pardon is not coming from Trump. You're not getting a pardon from Trump. He doesn't give a shit about you. He's throwing you under the bus.
Whatever crimes you committed, that's going to be on you. And yeah, so now it's coming out through this particular court process. But you're right. If Democrats are back in charge, even, you know, I mean, they're probably going to get the House back, possibly the Senate. Very likely they win the White House next time around.
Any Democrat worth their salt will do a deep dive investigation into all the shit that went down during Doge because they were going wild. Who knows what else was done in the context of those early months of Doge?
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Chapter 8: How are the emotional impacts of the ICE incident affecting the family?
They're all rich. It doesn't matter. But it's the Doge employees, Elon's assistants, other people who may have been privy to meetings. Then you always have questions and other things. You can hold up funding if you don't get certain things that come your way. So things are about to change, I think, pretty significantly if the midterms go the way that we expect.
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